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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

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For me, this is a case where the problem too easily just happened to have a solution that could come over inside a commercial break with ne meaningful time passing. If they said days have passed between calling Doug and him showing up, fine. Here it's just "Doug can help!" and he's just there... In space.

I struggle to think of a similiar occurance in Trek where I just accepted such contrivance.

Isn’t Doug on the planet they’re orbiting?

It's said he's "nearby." If he's on the planet they're around (along with Kirk) that's even more contrived. It's how I feel. I agree to disagree with you and do not wish to battle any further. (You seem quick to jump on me.)

The bit at the beginning about Una not wanting to take shore leave was because Doug lived there. at least heavily implied.


I do love the line in TWOK now that we know the Star Trek quadrant designations. "But we're the only ship in the quadrant" to deal with investigating the mystery at Regula One. Whether Alpha or Beta, THE ONLY SHIP IN EITHER QUADRANT THE FEDERATION OCCUPIES? Wow. Starfleet is like that really bad football team that leaves huge gaps in its defense and loses games 49 to 7.

I like to think one of the smaller dividers is also quadrants, below sector or something
 
Another point to consider... the refit Enterprise was likely the most advanced ship in range. And given how easily the Klingon ships were destroyed, that may also have been a factor in play on what ship gets to intercept V'Ger.
 
To the credit of Star Trek IV at least two starships attempted to intercept the Whale Probe, the Saratoga and the Yorktown. Both were rendered powerless and disabled, but at least they tried. By the fourth movie Starfleet was shown to mass forces to meet an oncoming threat.

Federation President Roth: "All Earth-orbiting starships are powerless!"
 
To the credit of Star Trek IV at least two starships attempted to intercept the Whale Probe, the Saratoga and the Yorktown. Both were rendered powerless and disabled, but at least they tried. By the fourth movie Starfleet was shown to mass forces to meet an oncoming threat.

Federation President Roth: "All Earth-orbiting starships are powerless!"
At least there were Earth orbiting starships. Apparently in Into Darkness, there were no Earth orbiting starships or they (along with Earth spacedock, starbase one, Mars Defense perimeter, etc.) didn't notice that the USS Vengeance was beating the pulp out of the Enterprise in Earth orbit (even if we theorize that the Vengeance had ultra-powerful cloaking or stealth abilities, SOMEONE should've noticed that the Enterprise was getting beaten up by something)

In fact realistically there should've been a gazillion barriers between Khan and getting anywhere close to ramming Starfleet Command like he almost did in the movie.
 
At least there were Earth orbiting starships. Apparently in Into Darkness, there were no Earth orbiting starships or they (along with Earth spacedock, starbase one, Mars Defense perimeter, etc.) didn't notice that the USS Vengeance was beating the pulp out of the Enterprise in Earth orbit (even if we theorize that the Vengeance had ultra-powerful cloaking or stealth abilities, SOMEONE should've noticed that the Enterprise was getting beaten up by something)

In fact realistically there should've been a gazillion barriers between Khan and getting anywhere close to ramming Starfleet Command like he almost did in the movie.
At that point in Star Trek Into Darkness; Admiral Marcus had already laid the groundwork for claiming Kirk had disobeyed orders and was attempting to start a war with the Klingon Empire. At that point Pike had been killed as well, so there were no friends of Kirk's left in the Admiralty.
 
La'an knowing the relationship between Vulcans and Romulans is something that can be dismissed in order to keep the entire audience in the loop. Seeing different parts of her personality and instincts activated by the serum was perhaps the most interesting part of the story. Some of the audience would get that she was acting more like a Romulan--BUT NOT ALL. How would one communicate that? Perhaps a different explanation would have sufficed, but I believe it is a discontinuity that is better forgotten.
 
I see.

I don't know if it was mentioned, and I'm too lazy to read 30 pages. But I rewachted it and I have questions now regarding Doug, how does he not know that a birthday party is a yearly event? OR noticed humans use contractions? He must not have been in long relationship with Una
Also I'm not sure how much time I would spend discussing American Earth customs if I hadn't seen the person I was hot for in a while.
 
Zero Starships in V'Ger's path that can sustain the speed to catch up and maintain extremely high warp long enough to merge warp bubbles. Enterprise is approaching from the other direction so all she has to do is build speed to match V'Ger's speed momentarily. Most ships can only sustain high warp for a few hours. Enterprise is just throwing a hook in a sandworm as it passes.

And I am unanimous in this.
Kirk’s lines are literally, “the Enterprise is the only starship that stands in its way,” and “the only Federation starship in interception range is the Enterprise.”

There is no mention about relative power scales or warp capabilities. As others have said, it makes Starfleet look underpowered and incompetent.

The earlier drafts of the script actually fix this with a USS Aswan that intercepts V’Ger before Enterprise, but is swiftly destroyed. The communication with Epsilon 9 on the Rec Deck repurposed that scene of the Aswan’s final moments.
 
At that point in Star Trek Into Darkness; Admiral Marcus had already laid the groundwork for claiming Kirk had disobeyed orders and was attempting to start a war with the Klingon Empire. At that point Pike had been killed as well, so there were no friends of Kirk's left in the Admiralty.
Yup. Marcus had everything where he needed it and trusted Kirk's desire for revenge to avoid further questions. Kirk as a rogue element would further cement the usefulness of the Dreadnaught class as it deals handedly with the Enterprise.
 
Looking at the poll results you’re not in the minority. Majority of votes are 5 or higher

The people disliking it are just more vocal than the ones who liked it

Or, if they're like me, they don't vote in the poll. I have no idea how to rank episodes, especially when I dislike them, so I don't bother.
 
I hope Ethan Peck gets one actual Spock focused episode that isn't a shitty comedy before this show ends. The fact that most of his serious Spock stuff was either on Discovery or in brief scenes where he's helping other people is such a disservice to an actor that I think is very good in his role. I don't know why the SNW people decided that Spock was the show's comedy relief character and nothing more, but its a shitty thing to do to both the character and the actor.

Oh, also, the episode was shit, as expected of a SNW comedy episode. 2/10, I'd rate it lower but unfortunately this isn't even the worst comedy episode of the season. SNW episodes are either amazing or crap, almost never inbetween those two extremes.
 
I hope Ethan Peck gets one actual Spock focused episode that isn't a shitty comedy before this show ends. The fact that most of his serious Spock stuff was either on Discovery or in brief scenes where he's helping other people is such a disservice to an actor that I think is very good in his role. I don't know why the SNW people decided that Spock was the show's comedy relief character and nothing more, but its a shitty thing to do to both the character and the actor.

Oh, also, the episode was shit, as expected of a SNW comedy episode. 2/10, I'd rate it lower but unfortunately this isn't even the worst comedy episode of the season. SNW episodes are either amazing or crap, almost never inbetween those two extremes.
Comedy relief seems to be the only way they know how to work with Vulcans. It's like the show is trying to be a live action Lower Decks and it's becoming very tiresome.

(Lower Desks was amazing but that doesn't mean I want to see it copied and badly at that)
 
I hope Ethan Peck gets one actual Spock focused episode that isn't a shitty comedy before this show ends. The fact that most of his serious Spock stuff was either on Discovery or in brief scenes where he's helping other people is such a disservice to an actor that I think is very good in his role. I don't know why the SNW people decided that Spock was the show's comedy relief character and nothing more, but its a shitty thing to do to both the character and the actor.

I miss Discovery Spock so much. Let him grow a beard again and give him a serious episode. I think that's why Season 2 was my favorite season of that series, they did some great character work, even if the plotlines itself (Control mostly) were kind of confusing and in your face.
 
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