Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x04 - "A Space Adventure Hour"

[UssGlenn]

Ahh yes of course, and right after the turbolift doors closed, Scotty corrected Geordi, "Ackshully laddie who's to say I dinna invent the bloody thing *wink*". Really one of the worst kind of retcons. All to have a holodeck episode of all things.

Everybody on the Ent-D was in awe of the Holodeck, and not just in a "wow can you believe we have one of those holodecks just like on earth or at a big space station" kind of way. Not to mention LaForge was talking to an elderly Scotty, so holodecks had to be a thing for like 40+ years of his life at that point. Which would just makes LaForge look like a fool. It would be like if you found a dude that was stranded on a desert isle since the 1990s, took him back home to Los Angeles, and was like "BEHOLD, THE HORSELESS CARRIAGE" as you gestured maniacally at a Toyota Corolla.

I mean, if the technology was shelved after this and then brought back at a later date it wouldn't be known to everyone and everyone still could be amazed with it. Someone in this thread talked how certain things were invented in real life well before they were actual commonly used, such as air conditioners.

That was me. In addition to Air Conditioning (1850s to 1940s) and the Electric car (1880 to 2000s), there is also:

the Fax Machine: 1843 to 1964

The Touch Screen: 1965 to 2007

Rollerblades: 1819 to 1980s

Video calling: 1964 to 2000s

The Washing Machine was in development for centuries before being perfected by the 1950s.

 

[Toril Toran]

When this episode started I thought “what the hell is this?”
Once we returned to the Enterprise (and reality). I thought the episode was pretty entertaining.
Not the best episode (better than the one where they sang) but seeing the captain of the fictional doing Shatner was worth it. And seeing Anson Mount dressed in that ridiculous producers outfit was worth it.
The whole “ make a program in the holodeck that I can’t solve was done to death in TNG. But the ending I did not see coming.

Spoiler

The holographic Spock is the killer.

 

[Tuskin38]

I read your post accurately, you just assumed two contradictory positions.

Not at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

How is Anson Mount so bad as his holodeck character?

He wasnt.

That's no longer true

It's still true.

 

[Greg Cox]

What annoys me is the whole "True Fan" or "Old School Fan" discussion around it. Or the "Its not Star Trek because it doesn't conform to my own preconceived notions" mindset. Or "It doesn't jibe with a throwaway line from one forty year old episode so its not Star Trek." It all feels very gatekeepy.

But if there are real concerns about the story they're trying to tell, not the window dressing, then yeah, I'm willing to listen.

I also get frustrated when I log into a thread on the latest new Star Trek episode (be it DISCO, LOWER DECKS, SNW, whatever) hoping for an actual discussion of that episode -- the story, the characters, the plot twists, the moral dilemmas, the acting, humor, suspense, relationships, and so on -- only to find the thread hijacked for pages at a time by yet another interminable debate about "canon" and "timelines," all because the episode may or may not have contradicted two lines of dialogue for "The Lights of Zetar," or because the production design for a 2025 take on Star Trek doesn't look enough like a 1960s vision of the future . . . .

As opposed to talking about what's happening to Pike and Spock and Chapel and the gang this week.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ahh yes of course, and right after the turbolift doors closed, Scotty corrected Geordi, "Ackshully laddie who's to say I dinna invent the bloody thing *wink*". Really one of the worst kind of retcons. All to have a holodeck episode of all things.

Everybody on the Ent-D was in awe of the Holodeck, and not just in a "wow can you believe we have one of those holodecks just like on earth or at a big space station" kind of way. Not to mention LaForge was talking to an elderly Scotty, so holodecks had to be a thing for like 40+ years of his life at that point. Which would just makes LaForge look like a fool. It would be like if you found a dude that was stranded on a desert isle since the 1990s, took him back home to Los Angeles, and was like "BEHOLD, THE HORSELESS CARRIAGE" as you gestured maniacally at a Toyota Corolla.

As many have pointed out, Scotty knew what a holodeck was a century before "Relics" happened. If a retcon occurred, it lies at the feet of TNG, not SNW.

LaForge is a bit of a condescending dick for most of "Relics." So being a fool tracks.

 

[Greg Cox]

That was me. In addition to Air Conditioning (1850s to 1940s) and the Electric car (1880 to 2000s), there is also:

the Fax Machine: 1843 to 1964

The Touch Screen: 1965 to 2007

Rollerblades: 1819 to 1980s

Video calling: 1964 to 2000s

The Washing Machine was in development for centuries before being perfected by the 1950s.

This regularly messes me up when I play Chrono on my phone every day.

"The ballpoint pen was patented when . . . .?"

 

[MarcKyle1964]

Someone was watching Galaxy Quest.

"Sorry, I was – door was a little sticky. Did you see that? I’ll get one of my boys up here with a can of WD-40"

(edit) Trying to change the subject to stop the pie fight.

 

[MarcKyle1964]

As many have pointed out, Scotty knew what a holodeck was a century before "Relics" happened. If a retcon occurred, it lies at the feet of TNG, not SNW.

Well, we have the idea of what a holodeck is or does, we just don't have the power, schematics or the engineering tech needed to create a working one. We are about this close to it

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LaForge is a bit of a condescending dick for most of "Relics." So being a fool tracks.

1) people with disabilities can be dicks, even arrogant dicks.

2) I was never so much of a fan of Laforge after that. Laforge even hit the Clarkson Barrier for awhile. What's the Clarkson Barrier? When a character achieves this reaction when the plot endangers them:

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[I am not Herbert]

I also get frustrated when I log into a thread on the latest new Star Trek episode (be it DISCO, LOWER DECKS, SNW, whatever) hoping for an actual discussion of that episode -- the story, the characters, the plot twists, the moral dilemmas, the acting, humor, suspense, relationships, and so on -- only to find the thread hijacked for pages at a time by yet another interminable debate about "canon" and "timelines," all because the episode may or may not have contradicted two lines of dialogue for "The Lights of Zetar," or because the production design for a 2025 take on Star Trek doesn't look enough like a 1960s vision of the future . . . .

As opposed to talking about what's happening to Pike and Spock and Chapel and the gang this week.

I understand your point of view, but you are entering "hey, you aren't watching Star Trek correctly" territory. Pointing out 'canonical' inconsistencies may not be your (or my) idea of a good time, but it's been a part of ST fandom so long it was being lampooned by SNL in 1987. It is clearly part of some folks' way of consuming the content. Do any of you think that by expressing your disapproval you're going to suddenly stamp that tendency out here, of all places: an open-ended comment thread to a prequel series that (objectively viewed) is creating significant inconsistencies with the series to which it is an ostensible prequel? All that's happening is that personal invective and smugness is creeping in-- speculations about peoples' mental health IRL, suggesting that they need to grow out of something you grew out of long ago (congrats btw), etc.

If you don't like what certain people are saying, can't you just skip past their comments and comment on something else you find more relevant? If you find certain people are repeat 'offenders,' habitually raising issues you find beside the point, can't you silence them (if that's an option here) or just entirely skip past their comments without reading? It really should not be that difficult.

 

[Toril Toran]

These episodes still contain the essence of TOS.
Christine Chapel marries Roger Corby who SPOILERS gets killed by the salt monster on
m-113.
Despite the odd story choices, I am still enjoying the fact that they can still surprise me.

 

[Tuskin38]

Christine Chapel marries Roger Corby who SPOILERS gets killed by the salt monster on
m-113.

No he doesn't.

Korby visits Exo III where he was badly injured and transferred his mind into an Android. TOS: "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

You're probably thinking of McCoy's ex-girlfriend.

 

[Noname Given]

These episodes still contain the essence of TOS.
Christine Chapel marries Roger Corby who SPOILERS gets killed by the salt monster on
m-113.
Despite the odd story choices, I am still enjoying the fact that they can still surprise me.

Nope. He is discovered to be an Andriod copy of the original Roger Korby and he disintegrates himself and Adrea with her phaser weapon when he realizes he is no longer really human.

 

[cooleddie74]

Professor Robert Crater is the crusty scientist on planet M113.

 

[cooleddie74]

And yes, "The Practical Joker(TAS)" is canon.