Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x04 - "A Space Adventure Hour"

[UssGlenn]

Ahh yes of course, and right after the turbolift doors closed, Scotty corrected Geordi, "Ackshully laddie who's to say I dinna invent the bloody thing *wink*". Really one of the worst kind of retcons. All to have a holodeck episode of all things.

Everybody on the Ent-D was in awe of the Holodeck, and not just in a "wow can you believe we have one of those holodecks just like on earth or at a big space station" kind of way. Not to mention LaForge was talking to an elderly Scotty, so holodecks had to be a thing for like 40+ years of his life at that point. Which would just makes LaForge look like a fool. It would be like if you found a dude that was stranded on a desert isle since the 1990s, took him back home to Los Angeles, and was like "BEHOLD, THE HORSELESS CARRIAGE" as you gestured maniacally at a Toyota Corolla.

I mean, if the technology was shelved after this and then brought back at a later date it wouldn't be known to everyone and everyone still could be amazed with it. Someone in this thread talked how certain things were invented in real life well before they were actual commonly used, such as air conditioners.

That was me. In addition to Air Conditioning (1850s to 1940s) and the Electric car (1880 to 2000s), there is also:

the Fax Machine: 1843 to 1964

The Touch Screen: 1965 to 2007

Rollerblades: 1819 to 1980s

Video calling: 1964 to 2000s

The Washing Machine was in development for centuries before being perfected by the 1950s.

 

[Toril Toran]

When this episode started I thought “what the hell is this?”
Once we returned to the Enterprise (and reality). I thought the episode was pretty entertaining.
Not the best episode (better than the one where they sang) but seeing the captain of the fictional doing Shatner was worth it. And seeing Anson Mount dressed in that ridiculous producers outfit was worth it.
The whole “ make a program in the holodeck that I can’t solve was done to death in TNG. But the ending I did not see coming.

Spoiler

The holographic Spock is the killer.

 

[Tuskin38]

I read your post accurately, you just assumed two contradictory positions.

Not at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

How is Anson Mount so bad as his holodeck character?

He wasnt.

That's no longer true

It's still true.

 

[Greg Cox]

What annoys me is the whole "True Fan" or "Old School Fan" discussion around it. Or the "Its not Star Trek because it doesn't conform to my own preconceived notions" mindset. Or "It doesn't jibe with a throwaway line from one forty year old episode so its not Star Trek." It all feels very gatekeepy.

But if there are real concerns about the story they're trying to tell, not the window dressing, then yeah, I'm willing to listen.

I also get frustrated when I log into a thread on the latest new Star Trek episode (be it DISCO, LOWER DECKS, SNW, whatever) hoping for an actual discussion of that episode -- the story, the characters, the plot twists, the moral dilemmas, the acting, humor, suspense, relationships, and so on -- only to find the thread hijacked for pages at a time by yet another interminable debate about "canon" and "timelines," all because the episode may or may not have contradicted two lines of dialogue for "The Lights of Zetar," or because the production design for a 2025 take on Star Trek doesn't look enough like a 1960s vision of the future . . . .

As opposed to talking about what's happening to Pike and Spock and Chapel and the gang this week.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ahh yes of course, and right after the turbolift doors closed, Scotty corrected Geordi, "Ackshully laddie who's to say I dinna invent the bloody thing *wink*". Really one of the worst kind of retcons. All to have a holodeck episode of all things.

Everybody on the Ent-D was in awe of the Holodeck, and not just in a "wow can you believe we have one of those holodecks just like on earth or at a big space station" kind of way. Not to mention LaForge was talking to an elderly Scotty, so holodecks had to be a thing for like 40+ years of his life at that point. Which would just makes LaForge look like a fool. It would be like if you found a dude that was stranded on a desert isle since the 1990s, took him back home to Los Angeles, and was like "BEHOLD, THE HORSELESS CARRIAGE" as you gestured maniacally at a Toyota Corolla.

As many have pointed out, Scotty knew what a holodeck was a century before "Relics" happened. If a retcon occurred, it lies at the feet of TNG, not SNW.

LaForge is a bit of a condescending dick for most of "Relics." So being a fool tracks.