Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x02 - "Wedding Bell Blues"

[Phoenix219]

I don't remember Q saying he knew God. Maybe a god? At any rate I hope to god they never show God. They need to leave some mystery to the universe. That reminds me of the Show Supernatural. They put all the cards on the table and had the brothers defeat just about a every deity you could think of including the Almighty himself ... .....what's the point after that???

I always thought they should have ended the show after the Amara season. It would have been perfect. Instead of actually seeing anything with their mom alive it would have been all off screen; it would have been a minor tweak to just resurrect their dad also and give them their happy ending with God and his sister leaving them in charge of protecting the universe. There is enough that mirrored and referenced the pilot and it would have been a nice full circle. Then pick up Constantine to replace it. The only loss from the late seasons would have been the Scooby-Doo episode but that could have still been a DVD movie or something.

 

[Farscape One]

I always thought they should have ended the show after the Amara season. It would have been perfect. Instead of actually seeing anything with their mom alive it would have been all off screen; it would have been a minor tweak to just resurrect their dad also and give them their happy ending with God and his sister leaving them in charge of protecting the universe. There is enough that mirrored and referenced the pilot and it would have been a nice full circle. Then pick up Constantine to replace it. The only loss from the late seasons would have been the Scooby-Doo episode but that could have still been a DVD movie or something.

I thought SUPERNATURAL season 12 was a very strong season. (The British Men of Letters season.) That entire arc was great, so I'm glad they didn't stop with Amara's season (season 11.)

 

[Starflight]

Yeah, well, when it's my turn to be showrunner I'm going to make the Organians part of the Q continuum too. And the Thasians, Metrons, Prophets and Nagilum. And Transfigurations is going to turn out to be the Q's origin story.

Actually, no, Star Trek: The Motion Picture is the birth of the first Q, and it was the Borg who rebuilt V'Ger. But the Borg turn out to be a crew of humans who crash landed in the Delta Quadrant years in the past because of... I dunno... Michael Burnham.

In the end it turns out that Michael Burnham is responsible for literally everything in Star Trek (except for Tribbles, that was Edward), and we can finally tie this all together.

This is good but to bring it up to full Kurtzman standards, you need to add a plot in which it turns out Archer built the Doomsday Machine to try and protect the Federation from the Dominion (the existence of which was revealed to him by the Guardian of Forever), but it went rogue after being remotely hacked by Vaal, which itself had gone haywire because the microbrains from "Home Soil" had tried to interface with it.

 

[TRON JA307020]

This is good but to bring it up to full Kurtzman standards, you need to add a plot in which it turns out Archer built the Doomsday Machine to try and protect the Federation from the Dominion (the existence of which was revealed to him by the Guardian of Forever), but it went rogue after being remotely hacked by Vaal, which itself had gone haywire because the microbrains from "Home Soil" had tried to interface with it.

I wouldn't put it past them. They have a whole 24 episodes left. They need to get some ideas somewhere since they don't seem to have any fresh ones. What next a holodeck on the 1701 which is as good as what was on the D and the get stuck in a holo story? Nah. They wouldn't do that.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think some of you are over thinking it.

They connected two characters that some in the fanbase (and I think I read somewhere Gene?) have speculated for decades. It's nothing that crazy.

 

[Trekker4747]

It’s interesting that people seem to assume this is the end of the story for Chapel’s and Spock’s relationship. I’m sure we’re on a break of them actually being a couple...

We were on a break!

 

[Starflight]

I think some of you are over thinking it.

They connected two characters that some in the fanbase (and I think I read somewhere Gene?) have speculated for decades. It's nothing that crazy.

Just joking around, but in the last episode alone, the plot relied on:
Trelane ("The Squire of Gothos")
Q ("Encounter at Farpoint"/TNG generally)
Roger Korby ("What Are Little Girls Made Of?")
Very briefly, the Gorn ("Arena", though I suppose they're more of a SNW staple now)

It does feel a bit like a grabbag of decades-old material, taken from its original context and repurposed, which can get disappointing if you're really hoping for fresh original stuff. They've done a great job revitalising/reinventing old characters like Chapel and T'Pring, but the use of Trelane and Korby here (up to and including using the same ending as "The Squire of Gothos") felt peculiar and getting far too deep into Small Universe Syndrome territory.

 

[Moopsy]

That said, I failed to mention in my first post that I really like the inclusion of Wham’s “Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go”, because I just love George Michael and it’s good to know this party standard survived well into the 23rd century.

I wish they could have used the song "Wedding Bell Blues", either the recording by the song's composer, Laura Nyro, or the hit recording by the Fifth Dimension.

 

[Tuskin38]

Just joking around, but in the last episode alone, the plot relied on:
Trelane ("The Squire of Gothos")
Q ("Encounter at Farpoint"/TNG generally)
Roger Korby ("What Are Little Girls Made Of?")
Very briefly, the Gorn ("Arena", though I suppose they're more of a SNW staple now)

It does feel a bit like a grabbag of decades-old material, taken from its original context and repurposed, which can get disappointing if you're really hoping for fresh original stuff. They've done a great job revitalising/reinventing old characters like Chapel and T'Pring, but the use of Trelane and Korby here (up to and including using the same ending as "The Squire of Gothos") felt peculiar and getting far too deep into Small Universe Syndrome territory.

Korby was always going to show up the moment they decided to use Chapel

 

[nightwind1]

I have to say. I really like The Cage depiction of the pikr years and the way things looked better in The Cage. The ship was smaller and everything felt like a true predecessor to TNG in terms if ship size and tech. This version has more advanced equipment even than what tng had. This show is just blurring the lines of that nice flow we used to have between time periods.

NOPE.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Just watched Squire Of Gothos. The trial scene was similar to Encounter At Farpoint of course, and the planet following the ship was similar to Q following the E-D.

With Spock, Uhura and Scotty in both episodes, it's hard to determine which encounter came first, but Trelane did have a fascination with Spock in Wedding Bell Blues, so I'd guess he was trying to make up for their "first" encounter in SoG?

 

[Turtletrekker]

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Just watched Squire Of Gothos. The trial scene was similar to Encounter At Farpoint of course, and the planet following the ship was similar to Q following the E-D.

With Spock, Uhura and Scotty in both episodes, it's hard to determine which encounter came first, but Trelane did have a fascination with Spock in Wedding Bell Blues, so I'd guess he was trying to make up for their "first" encounter in SoG?

Q also told Trelane that he would have to teach him the consequences of disobedience again.

 

[Phoenix219]

I thought SUPERNATURAL season 12 was a very strong season. (The British Men of Letters season.) That entire arc was great, so I'm glad they didn't stop with Amara's season (season 11.)

I won't get too off topic here, I haven't seen the season since first run but I remember being very unimpressed by all of it, and it always stuck out to me what a fantastic ending moment they had just skirted. Everything from that point on with their mom just felt so pointless and manufactured drama, and the whole idea of British men of letters just felt like a plot hole, that no one even knew of their existence and they didn't show up for the end of the world or any of the giant stakes before. But, I won't pretend to remember details. I bowed out mid season 14 and only watched the series finale when I watched the Winchesters.

 

[TRON JA307020]

NOPE.

YUP.

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't put it psst them. They have a whole 24 episodes left. They need to get some ideas somewhere since they don't seem to have any fresh ones. What next a holodeck on the 1701 which is as good as what was on the D and the get stuck in a hole story? Nah. They wouldn't do that.

Probably better. Holodeck stories were not TNG's strong suit, in my opinion.

 

[Dar70]

I always thought they should have ended the show after the Amara season. It would have been perfect. Instead of actually seeing anything with their mom alive it would have been all off screen; it would have been a minor tweak to just resurrect their dad also and give them their happy ending with God and his sister leaving them in charge of protecting the universe. There is enough that mirrored and referenced the pilot and it would have been a nice full circle. Then pick up Constantine to replace it. The only loss from the late seasons would have been the Scooby-Doo episode but that could have still been a DVD movie or something.

Yeah. The spinoff that last a season was doomed from the start. I really enjoyed the first 6-8 season then they started to lose me but I stuck around to the end...

 

[Phoenix219]

Yeah. The spinoff that last a season was doomed from the start. I really enjoyed the first 6-8 season then they started to lose me but I stuck around to the end...

the spinoff was one of the few times i was relieved at a cancellation. not that i hated it or anything, but the fact that it actually told a completely story and wrapped it up with a decent ending. if it had been renewed, it would have only been downhill from there. lol.

 

[Tuskin38]

Nah. They wouldn't do that.

Based on what we know so far they're not going to be stuck.

What next a holodeck on the 1701 which is as good as what was on the D

As long as there's no AI characters, it won't be as good as the Ent-D's.

 

[eschaton]

Thinking about it today, I realize the central issue with this episode: It's Korby's story, not Spock's story.

It's established late in the episode that "Trelane" is just doing all of this to fuck with Korby because he hates him. That's why he wipes Spock's mind like everyone else, but not Korby. He set up a scenario to make Korby suffer, and giving Spock the "happy ending" was just a side effect. "Trelane" wants to see Korby squirm and suffer as he "gives her away" to another man. He's the one who has something to lose here - he's the one with the stakes.

Does Spock show growth here? I mean kind of, because he seems "over" Chapel to some degree by the end of the episode. But there's never a point, once he gets his memory back, where he considers for a second that maybe he should let Chapel remain mind-controlled and marry him. There's no real internal conflict here to his character. He barely even gets a moment of self reflection to think "I wanted this, but not like this."

The issue is, it would have worked so much better if only Spock knew about it, and not Korby. Because then he'd be the one who makes the affirmative decision to reject what "Trelane" was offering him, rather than trying to go along with Korby's plan.

 

[1001001]

I thoroughly enjoyed that.

Q and Trelane: makes sense.

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