Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[StarTrek1701]

The designs aren't my main concern, the constant breaking of canon is.
If we are going to retcon everything then why would the audience even bother with the universe?
ENT's Klingon first contact being on Earth itself was enough lunacy.
Now we have this Gorn encounter + Trelane being Q stupid bs.
Last season everybody knew who T'Pring was but by the time of ToS nobody remembers!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The designs aren't my main concern, the constant breaking of canon is.
If we are going to retcon everything then why would the audience even bother with the universe?
ENT's Klingon first contact being on Earth itself was enough lunacy.
Now we have this Gorn encounter + Trelane being Q stupid bs.
Last season everybody knew who T'Pring was but by the time of ToS nobody remembers!

Tell that to the Show Runners of the franchise currently.

Everybody has their theories as to what is really going on within the Franchise Universe, but they insist on saying "Everything is Canon", despite obvious conflicts.

They present obvious solutions, but they don't want to admit to it.

So it's on them to sort things out.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Canon and continuity are two different things.

Canon is everything that's been broadcast. What's in continuity is more selective; some items require retcons, handwaving, etc.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

From this day forth I declare that 'canon' now also means 'continuity', so that everyone is on the same page.

 

[cooleddie74]

Canonuity.™

 

[CorporalCaptain]

From this day forth I declare that 'canon' now also means 'continuity', so that everyone is on the same page.

Yeah, no.

But, boy, do a lot of people mistakenly treat them as the same thing!

It leads to many arguments and much confusion.

 

[Gilora]

Contrary to how Trek portrays it, space is vast

But Trek space isn’t. That’s the reality of our beloved franchise.

 

[cooleddie74]

Canon is whatever gets onscreen, no matter how award-winning and well-regarded or unfathomably boring or stupid. Continuity is whatever the IP holder says is the official sequence of in-universe events and how it all connects to the rest of the franchise.

 

[FederationHistorian]

If Trek has shown that the Xindi can have 6× very different species come from the same home planet?

Why can't there be different Reptilian Sub-Species coming from the same Home World?

Each one looks significantly different, but all are part of the same "Gorn Hegemony".

One looks like TOS Gorn, the other ENT Gorn, the other SNW Gorn.

Just like Klingons can have many physical variations, Gorn can have the same as well.

Let's not forget that the Andorians have their Sub-Species cousins in the Aenar.

Vulcans have the Off-Shoot Species in "The Romulans".

I agree. But many seem to disagree.

The problem is nothing about the "new" Gorn really works.

Their "reproduction" is more at home on a bioweapon then anything that could have naturally evolved to the point of sentience.

Their intelligence flips between "completely instinct driven predator" and "intelligent space-faring race" depending on what the writers want them to do at any point in time.

And the less said about the magic solar flares the better.

Then pivot and reveal these particular Gorn to be the Tzenkethi, since that species is a blank slate, and would fit in with the discovering a strange new world motif.

 

[cooleddie74]

I can totally picture the Tzenkethi as a reptillian species with extreme territoriality tendencies and encroaching on neighboring space to pillage resources for their food stocks.

 

[Dar70]

The designs aren't my main concern, the constant breaking of canon is.
If we are going to retcon everything then why would the audience even bother with the universe?
ENT's Klingon first contact being on Earth itself was enough lunacy.
Now we have this Gorn encounter + Trelane being Q stupid bs.
Last season everybody knew who T'Pring was but by the time of ToS nobody remembers!

I feel Exactly the same way. I like the production values overall. Well except for the idiotic turbolift interior, Klingon makeup and ship being rescaled.

But they could have made it with a lot of new characters and the ones we saw in the menagerie. But they decided to go with 80% characters from after Pikes time. It seems so forced and just doesn't fit no matter how people are trying to make it fit. It is what it is though.

I am happy for those who enjoy it though.

 

[Dar70]

Canon is whatever gets onscreen, no matter how award-winning and well-regarded or unfathomably boring or stupid. Continuity is whatever the IP holder says is the official sequence of in-universe events and how it all connects to the rest of the franchise.

Sure. So I need to know why Starships need a turbolift interior the size of a city. I'm still scratching my head on that awful decision. I think it must be the worst production decision In all of Trek. One that will bother me till the day I die. Even the Jupiter 2 with its three levels at the end of season 3 of LIS is more believable and easier to suspend disbelief compared to turbo-gate

 

[NCC-73515]

The Gorn planet is in between the two stars. According to the technobabble at least, the gravity of the two stars bend light in a way that hide the planet.

Gravitational lens - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They used an outdated biohazard symbol
I did not like Pike starting to literally pray, and the Gorn stuff has turned into repetitive they-chase-us and we-chase-them with no big developments.
But it was great to look at, and using a solution vaguely similar to BOBW is fine since it's the first time in decades they're using it again.

 

[cooleddie74]

So I need to know why Starships need a turbolift interior the size of a city. I'm still scratching my head on that awful decision.

Oh, that was just unfiltered dumbassery if not outright trolling by the producers. That crap's indefensible even if one doesn't even like DSC.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Oh, that was just unfiltered dumbassery if not outright trolling by the producers. That crap's indefensible even if one doesn't even like DSC.

Yeah, that was just dumb and I say that as someone who generally really liked Discovery. And it could have just been overlooked as a non-issue if it hadn't become a major component of the season 3 finale.

 

[eschaton]

Sure. So I need to know why Starships need a turbolift interior the size of a city. I'm still scratching my head on that awful decision. I think it must be the worst production decision In all of Trek. One that will bother me till the day I die. Even the Jupiter 2 with its three levels at the end of season 3 of LIS is more believable and easier to suspend disbelief compared to turbo-gate

I'm really going to enjoy once we get out to 2027 or so and the NDAs for Season 1 of Disco start expiring, because I expect a lot will become clear.

Again, really I feel like the issue with DIS was the different departments all sort of did their own thing with no one to rein them in, in part because once Fuller was gone, there was essentially no creative head. So you got the VFX and makeup departments getting greenlit to do all sorts of bizarre shit that only vaguely aligned with what the script called for.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The designs aren't my main concern, the constant breaking of canon is.

Canon can't be broken. But continuity can be changed by a simple keystroke.

If we are going to retcon everything then why would the audience even bother with the universe?

Not every audience member is in it for "the universe."

ENT's Klingon first contact being on Earth itself was enough lunacy.

Where the holy canon is it established where the first contact between Humans and Klingons took place?

Now we have this Gorn encounter + Trelane being Q stupid bs.

Love the expansion of the Gorn as a species. Meh on the Trelane/Q thing. "Wedding Bell Blues" is my least favorite episode.

Last season everybody knew who T'Pring was but by the time of ToS nobody remembers!

Who from SNW was present in TOS when T'Pring sent her message? Spock, Uhura and Chapel. That's it None of the other regulars were part of the crew during the events of SNW seasons one and two. Spock obviously knows T'Pring. Uhura never meets T'Pring in SNW, though she no doubt has heard of her. Chapel has met T'Pring. In "Amok Time" Uhura asks who she is and comments that she's lovely. Chapel doesn't say a word. After that they disappear from the episode until the very end.

 

[Noname Given]

The designs aren't my main concern, the constant breaking of canon is...

Then you must really dislike every Star Trek series in existence.

 

[the G-man]

I feel like this whole story would have been better if they just got permission from Disney to use the Xenomorphs. I just don’t get “Gorn” from them at all.

Yeah... I'm willing to hand wave a lot anymore, but... "Gorn?"

I have resigned myself to head canon that this is not the same universe as TOS but even so, the Gorn are soooo much a Xenomorph ripoff in this incarnation that every time they show up is kind of the ruins the ep for me. Hope they're gone from good from the series.

 

[the G-man]

I'm not using "monster" in the sense of just being scary, but in the sense of not being a character.

The Gorn in Arena was a person. Not a nice person, but a person. That was part of the point of the whole episode - that from the perspective of the Gorn, they were in the right.

Aside from the use of starships and beam weapons and such, there's basically nothing in what SNW has shown us regarding the Gorn which make them seem like people. In this episode, they are shown as being more like an insect swarm, or a force of nature, without a hint of rational thought.

If Paramount was so darned desperate to rip off an 80s Fox monster property, they should have gone with "Predator." The Gorn was much closer to a Predator analogue in TOS than the Xenomorphs we got with SNW.