It was an effective way to showcase the difference between those who were in the war and those who weren't. Pike honestly believes in the Federation's values and so do his crew. But the difference is that he didn't fight in the Klingon war while M'Benga, Chapel, and Ortegas did. The writer was willing to show how Pike was out of touch in that sense because it fit with the story's theme. Una was the one who told Pike that they had to get to their destination pronto!
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"
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Temporal mechanics is hard.
Interesting. They would've stuck the landing by showing the explicit murder. You'd still have the morally ambiguous aspects to it and in spades.
But effective episode nonetheless.
They should have had M'Benga walk in to the longue and everyone give him disapproving or disappointed looks. Then we'd know that he done wrong.
That and also M'Benga knows the secret that Dak'Rah is not really the butcher of his own men to cover his retreat for their murder of civilians saying "I stood up for what was right," but a coward that ordered the killings of noncombatants and hid behind his own men to escape his fate at the hands of M'Benga. Dak'Rah discovers this in sickbay when M'Benga says "Kiff didn't fight the hardest. It was Captain Ruh'lis." If the Ambassador can kill M'Benga, then the one who knows his secret will be silenced.
You can see it in Dak'Rah's body language as he slumps over when M'Benga makes that statement.
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Oh how I wish there were actual role models to look up to in the real world. But they seem to be few and far between. So, I don't mind a few in my fiction.
There are plenty of admirable people in the world. The best are usually folks we know and interact with in our own lives. Fictional role models are, for the most part, a kind of security blanket.
Exactly so. The dialogue supports several possibilities.
Exactly so. The dialogue supports several possibilities.
It was supposed to be Spock but Berman nixed the idea of explicitly stating it was him.For all we know, that was Spock.
Exactly. I know several.
Hopefully they can touch on Kirk's war record. TOS supports him having a background in combat. Perhaps Axanar will figure in it.
Hopefully they can touch on Kirk's war record. TOS supports him having a background in combat. Perhaps Axanar will figure in it.
It's occurred to me that a Garth call-out could materialize on this show.
Gosh, this is becoming a much more interesting setting than the "24th century."
If it makes Peters melt down I'm all for it.
I'd agree with that. Like the firefighter who rushes into a burning building to save a stranger. Or even teachers who go the extra mile.
I was thinking more on the larger stage of real life there seems to be a shortage.
Keanu Reeves.
When you have a Spore Drive that's not hard to do, it's just this side of being as scary to the enemy as having an Iconian Gateway. The ability to appear any time and anywhere out of no where without warning is absurdly huge advantage, like its an I Win Button of War even against an enemy with greater forces and fire power.
Bingo.
I had the priviledge of having fantastic role models with my grandparents and my mom, and I have several friends (one of whom is my former boss) who are great people and wonderful role models.
And my wife is a role model... I am continually amazed by how great she is.
Never mind the firefighters, soldiers, police officers, nurses, etc. who put their lives on the line daily so the rest of us are safeguarded.
There are heroes everywhere if you look. I'm certain many people on this forum has been a role model to someone in their life... maybe not even knowing it.
Doesn't the scene with Pike negate that whole thing though. I think it's obvious that M'Benga killed him, but it was that conversation with Pike that probably bothered me the most.
Exactly. And if you can't find one be one.
