Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"

[JoeZhang]

I can't picture M'Benga screaming for help. He's former special forces.

Also I cannot think of a single main character who has literally screamed for help in this type of one on one fight - from Riker to Kirk to well...anyone?

 

[Jedi Marso]

Although it does bring up the possibility that people within Starfleet special forces know the truth but it suits them not to reveal it.

Doubtful. M'Benga went and did his thing after the whole SOF team came back in body bags. Unless he wrote a thoroughly detailed report about it afterwards. We don't even really know how much he told Chapel.

 

[Racefuel]

Why do characters have to "earn" friendship as if its now some regulation that is set down in scriptwriting.

If they're friends, they're friends. If they want to show a progression, they can. If they just want to make the friendship a stated fact, that works too.

These arbitrary requirements are silly.

 

[JoeZhang]

Doubtful. M'Benga went and did his thing after the whole SOF team came back in body bags.

Well he has that line of dialogue which is "tell them to stop sending people" which means they have tried to recruit him to do this for a while so it's not beyond possiblity that someone puts two and two together after the first mission goes south.

 

[Yistaan]

I can't picture M'Benga screaming for help. He's former special forces.

Starfleet rules would require him to alert security forces (which M'Benga is not currently a member of) to a hostile attacker on the ship. Short of being able to reach a communicator, screaming for help would be the obvious required step.

 

[Rainard Fox]

I'm surprised Pike didn't follow up with, "Well, they say revenge doesn't solve anything. Did his death make you feel better? It did alleviate your pain?" Then walks off.

And M'Benga could give a cold look when alone and answer, "Yes"

Can't imagine Pike talking to his officer like a Christian school teacher to a boy who has kicked a dog.

 

[Racefuel]

Oh, and another thing..there's a long history of starfleet officers being racist as a result of trauma. Very rarely do we see them being rebuked in any serious capacity.

 

[jackoverfull]

Did TOS M'Benga "earn" the right to be the CMO in two episodes of that series? He shows up out of the blue in both and is given McCoy's duties in Sickbay in both. "Earning" in fiction is the purview of the writers, nobody else.

M’Benga is never the CMO on TOS, he’s just another doctor in a couple of episodes.

M'Benga mentions that the drug he created was terrible for the body, so when he's clutching his heart those two times, I'm wondering, is this psychosomatic or real damage to his heart he did to himself

Good point.

I do wonder if M'Bengas actions this episode will lead toward him not being the CMO by the time Kirk takes command.

Would make sense.

 

[JoeZhang]

Starfleet rules would require him to alert security forces (which M'Benga is not currently a member of) to a hostile attacker on the ship. Short of being able to reach a communicator, screaming for help would be the obvious required step.

Yes obvious.

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[Rainard Fox]

Starfleet rules would require him to alert security forces (which M'Benga is not currently a member of) to a hostile attacker on the ship. Short of being able to reach a communicator, screaming for help would be the obvious required step.

Excuse me, is it how PTSD usually works? (spoiler: no)

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why do characters have to "earn" friendship as if its now some regulation that is set down in scriptwriting.

If they're friends, they're friends. If they want to show a progression, they can. If they just want to make the friendship a stated fact, that works too.

These arbitrary requirements are silly.

We managed to go 40 years without finding out how the Kirk/McCoy friendship was "earned". (in one universe) I think we can wait on Pike/M'Benga, too.

 

[Jedi Marso]

You’re probably right, and I think that emphasizes the naïveté of the federation. Here’s a dude that killed hundreds if not thousands of your own citizens, but you consider him forgiven and allow him to represent you for foreign worlds and governments. Plus you expect everyone else to forgive him for his sins. It’s a very ideal message, but the reality is that could never happen. That like saying that instead of taking out Bin Laden, he turned himself over to us and we made him our UN ambassador.

Good point. I also have a hard time swallowing the notion that the Starfleet of Kirk's time, the Starfleet of Garth of Izar, would cotton to the Klingons this way, even a defector. If there were 100 million plus dead, I can't imagine the Federation's citizenry tolerating a Klingon as a Federation ambassador either.

 

[Unique]

I'm talking about the ownership of the knife - nobody knows it was in the box. The assumption is that it's was the Ambassador's knife.

Sickbay would be locked down and every inch scanned under circumstances like that, and since the knife was lying around loose in that box, traces of the DNA would be in there. You’d have to half ass your way through an investigation with your eyes closed to accept that whatsisface smuggled the knife he killed his generals with through the defection process and hid it successfully the entire time, right up until he got killed with it.

we don't see M'Benga scream for help

I’m pretty sure a scream is well outside the man’s voice register.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sickbay would be locked down and every inch scanned under circumstances like that, and since the knife was lying around loose in that box, traces of the DNA would be in there. You’d have to half ass your way through an investigation with your eyes closed to accept that whatsisface smuggled the knife he killed his generals with through the defection process and hid it successfully the entire time, right up until he got killed with it.

Needs of the plot.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, I watched it again. She was lying about what she saw, about witnessing the circumstances. But she was watching the evidence show up on the knife so carefully like it was going to rat her out somehow.

She wasn't there from the start of the fight, she came in midway through.

 

[Yistaan]

Sickbay would be locked down and every inch scanned under circumstances like that, and since the knife was lying around loose in that box, traces of the DNA would be in there. You’d have to half ass your way through an investigation with your eyes closed to accept that whatsisface smuggled the knife he killed his generals with through the defection process and hid it successfully the entire time, right up until he got killed with it.


I’m pretty sure a scream is well outside the man’s voice register.

Plus, the ambassador beamed in right? Not via shuttlecraft. So the transporter logs should be able to easily prove that Dak'rah didn't have the knife on him when he arrived on the Enterprise.

 

[Unique]

Plus, the ambassador beamed in right? Not via shuttlecraft. So the transporter logs should be able to easily prove that Dak'rah didn't have the knife on him when he arrived on the Enterprise.

Correct.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Plus, the ambassador beamed in right? Not via shuttlecraft. So the transporter logs should be able to easily prove that Dak'rah didn't have the knife on him when he arrived on the Enterprise.

His luggage arrived late. Somethings never change.

 

[Racefuel]

Starfleet rules would require him to alert security forces (which M'Benga is not currently a member of) to a hostile attacker on the ship. Short of being able to reach a communicator, screaming for help would be the obvious required step.

People suffering with PTSD don't react to triggering events and during the episode in ways that necessarily make sense to people not in an episode.

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[Unique]

His luggage arrived late. Somethings never change.