Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[DaveyNY]

Seriously, they messed with this and left the Bell Riots alone?

It would be senseless to do without Sisko showing up in that kind of episode.
And Brooks has pretty much ruled out playing the character again.

 

[DEWLine]

My point is that Star Trek's charm derives as much from being alt-history as space opera.

 

[marillion]

What building is it? One of those ones on the harbor?



So much for the prime timeline, eh?

Nah. It's all still there. I just don't worry to much or over think about it. As it's been stated previously, if we're concerned about "canon" prime, then it would have been messed up a long time ago by the TNG and Voyager crews various dalliances with temporal displacement. The way I figure it. The Temporal Team basically works to smooth over mistakes created by Kirk et. al, to keep the Prime Time alive. My own head canon tells me that the events of ST:09 had such massive repercussions that even the Temporal Team couldn't fix it. So the Kelvin divergence remains.

 

[DEWLine]

They don't keep mentioning the Bell Riots though.

They're left alone editorially, via PIC Season 2. Same goes for Nomad's launch date. NASA has a building named for Jackson Roykirk.

 

[DaveyNY]

Nah. It's all still there. I just don't worry to much or over think about it. As it's been stated previously, if we're concerned about "canon" prime, then it would have been messed up a long time ago by the TNG and Voyager crews various dalliances with temporal displacement. The way I figure it. The Temporal Team basically works to smooth over mistakes created by Kirk et. al, to keep the Prime Time alive. My own head canon tells me that the events of ST:09 had such massive repercussions that event the Temporal Team couldn't fix it. So the Kelvin divergence remains.

Perhaps the fact that the Romulans and supposedly BORG tech were involved, the DTI felt it was best not to realign those events with the Prime timeline.

It could be that they weren't able to 'fix' it without still losing the planet Vulcan.

 

[MrShinzoff]

I really liked this episode. There is a definite silliness about SNW and sometimes it annoys me but that probably says more about me than it does about the show. Christina Chong is a tremendous actor playing a very interesting character and La'an-centric episodes tend to be personal favourites. I thought Paul Wesley was excellent in this as well.

 

[fireproof78]

Seriously, they messed with this and left the Bell Riots alone? And if the franchise lasts until 2053, what then?

They move it down the road again. They will keep trying to marry our history and Trek's.

I just had another thought:

Given that the Temporal Cold War is indeed a thing, it can be argued that there is no original timeline. So who knows, even TOS could be the result of temporal meddling. And the timeline could still be changing and we'd never even know it.

Yup

 

[Yistaan]

There's enough of a discrepancy between TOS and TNG, mainly the warp speeds (the TOS Enterprise can do 990 light years in 11.5 hours, they can go to the center of the galaxy in Trek 5, then suddenly by TNG Season 1 they need 300 years to make two million seven hundred thousand light years, which doesn't match up by TOS speeds--it should only take 3 years. Voyager's dilemma is also based on the new slower TNG warp scale)

We know that Romulans were somehow involved in changing the dates of the Eugenics Wars.

We know that a mysterious Tomed Incident in 2311 involving Romulans happened between Star Trek 6 and TNG.

My theory is this: the original timeline was TOS, then the first 6 TOS movies.

During the Tomed incident of 2311, Romulans went back in time and delayed the Eugenics Wars by 30 years. Somehow this also changed the development of warp drive to be much slower than it was in the original TOS/TOS movie timeline.

The new timeline then becomes ENT-Disco1/2-SNW-(TOS and TOS movies in "broad strokes")-TNG-DS9-VOY-PIC etc.

This is probably the cleanest way to make sense of things.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, I for one will sleep easier tonight

 

[Lakenheath 72]

The original timeline was changed as early as The Naked Time, when our Enterprise managed to go back in time three days and prevent their destruction over Psi 2000.

 

[fireproof78]

The original timeline was changed as early as The Naked Time, when our Enterprise managed to go back in time three days and prevent their destruction over Psi 2000.

Plus their interactions with Gary 7.

 

[wayoung]

Well, one thing we can say for certain:

Torontonians are right. Since Khan is from there, and he's the key to creation of the Federation, and the spot to stop him is as a child in Toronto, the city really is the center of the universe.

 

[Mudd]

Seriously, they messed with this and left the Bell Riots alone? And if the franchise lasts until 2053, what then?

Khan is a major figure in the Trek universe. Bell was a little-known one-off character.

 

[Yistaan]

Well, one thing we can say for certain:

Torontonians are right. Since Khan is from there, and he's the key to creation of the Federation, and the spot to stop him is as a child on Toronto, the city really is the center of the universe.

Adam Soong in Los Angeles will just clone another Khan then.

 

[cooleddie74]

Khan would still be a product of late 20th century genetic engineering. Assuming that in this altered history the Adam Soong "Project Khan" file folder leads to his conception and birth that would still mean the research and technology came from the 1990s between 1992 and 1996. So that hasn't changed at all.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, one thing we can say for certain:

Torontonians are right. Since Khan is from there, and he's the key to creation of the Federation, and the spot to stop him is as a child on Toronto, the city really is the center of the universe.

I wasn't aware this was in doubt...

 

[Yistaan]

Khan would still a product of late 20th century genetic engineering. Assuming that in this altered history the Adam Soong "Project Khan" file folder leads to his conception and birth that would still mean the research and technology came from the 1990s between 1992 and 1996. So that hasn't changed at all.

But Khan himself says in "Wrath of Khan": Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space in the year nineteen hundred and ninety-six, myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?

 

[cooleddie74]

I know, I know.

Believe me, I've remembered all day.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Well, one thing we can say for certain:

Torontonians are right. Since Khan is from there, and he's the key to creation of the Federation, and the spot to stop him is as a child in Toronto, the city really is the center of the universe.

that's such a pessimistic world view...

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

These episode threads always have such "I enjoy reading the sourcebooks more than playing the game" energy.