Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[fireproof78]

These episode threads always have such "I enjoy reading the sourcebooks more than playing the game" energy.

I do enjoy that.

 

[Yistaan]

Romulans: Ok, let's kill Khan! He's Indian right? Let's bombard India with out birds of prey!

Praetor: But he looks Mexican.

Romulans: Ok, let's bombard Mexico too.

Praetor: And our research on the so-called "Kelvin Timeline" have him look and sound British.

Romulans: Ok, let's take out the UK.

Praetor: And our records show that Khan's origins stem from a "Project Khan" file located in Los Angeles.

Romulans: All right, we're taking down Los Angeles too. Earth movies and tv shows are terrible anyways compared to Romulan ones so we won't miss Hollywood.

Praetor: AND the Noonien-Singh Institute records show Khan was raised in Toronto.

Romulans: Right so, we're vaporizing India, Mexico, the UK, Los Angeles, and Toronto. Did we miss anything?

Praetor: No, I think you got it. There's no way Khan can be born now.

 

[cooleddie74]

[*Chaka Khan announces comeback tour in 2025*]

 

[Noname Given]

They did two in the first year of TOS, both quite good.

Time travel has been a big part of Trek since its beginnings.

They technically did 3:

The Naked Time (the ending portion of the episode.)

Tomorrow Is Yesterday

and of course

City On The Edge Of Forever

 

[Noname Given]

Romulans: Ok, let's kill Khan! He's Indian right? Let's bombard India with out birds of prey!

Praetor: But he looks Mexican.

Romulans: Ok, let's bombard Mexico too.

Praetor: And our research on the so-called "Kelvin Timeline" have him look and sound British.

Romulans: Ok, let's take out the UK.

Praetor: And our records show that Khan's origins stem from a "Project Khan" file located in Los Angeles.

Romulans: All right, we're taking down Los Angeles too. Earth movies and tv shows are terrible anyways compared to Romulan ones so we won't miss Hollywood.

Praetor: AND the Noonien-Singh Institute records show Khan was raised in Toronto.

Romulans: Right so, we're vaporizing India, Mexico, the UK, Los Angeles, and Toronto. Did we miss anything?

Praetor: No, I think you got it. There's no way Khan can be born now.

Actually:

Romulans: Right so, we're vaporizing India, Mexico, the UK, Los Angeles, and Toronto. Did we miss anything?

Praetor: Yeah, do the bombing circa 1960 Earth calendar because we have a time entry where Khan conquered 1/4 of the planet in 1992 when he was in his early 30s...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Ironic, really. The creators of ENT never wanted the Temporal Cold War - it was a mandate imposed on them by the network - yet it has provided a ready-made excuse to adjust timelines as a writer wishes. This episode would never have been possible without it.

So evem though I was starting to give up the hope for a single, logical, consistent "prime" timeline - I realized that, since the TCW exists, no such timeline can ever be possible.

So I'm not upset anymore.

Oh, and I totally dare @Christopher to tackle this in a future DTI novel. I double-dog dare him.

 

[DaveyNY]

All the events of TOS still happen, it's just that the history dates referenced in some of the episodes are at a later time and the tech seen is updated.
Doesn't change how things unfold.

 

[ED-209]

Loving Season 2 so far.

 

[Yistaan]

We're watching the Trek franchise become the Terminator franchise. The Eugenics Wars are Trek's Judgement Day, which keeps being pushed forward when real life overtakes the dates cited in the filmed works.

 

[Tuskin38]

According to Ronald D. Moore, the DS9 writers decided never to give an exact date for the EW because they weren't happening IRL.

Though they did it by never mentioning it, instead of moving.

 

[fireproof78]

We're watching the Trek franchise become the Terminator franchise. The Eugenics Wars are Trek's Judgement Day, which keeps being pushed forward when real life overtakes the dates cited in the filmed works.

Yup.

Star Trek is always trying to make it work. It's not an alt-history piece; it's looking forward to humanity's future.

 

[Yistaan]

Pike: No fate but what we make.

M'Benga: Hasta la vista Klingons!

Khan: I'll be back.

 

[vulcancicada]

I think the eugenics wars were a 1960s conception of the next big thing that would tear humanity apart. Seems to not be something people fear as much anymore. I would love some super strength or hell, just not being legally blind without my contacts in.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Khan would still a product of late 20th century genetic engineering. Assuming that in this altered history the Adam Soong "Project Khan" file folder leads to his conception and birth that would still mean the research and technology came from the 1990s between 1992 and 1996. So that hasn't changed at all.

As a side note, I thought that was one of the stupidest things, naming the project "Project Khan". I understand it was done to give casual fans some kind of reference point, but it was stupid to me.

 

[Finn]

Spoiler: Location question

I know they're in Toronto because that's where they shoot, but is there a canon story reason why anyone would want to be in Toronto on purpose? lol

I'm sure there are people who wonder the same about Paris, New Orleans and San Francisco.

 

[fireproof78]

As a side note, I thought that was one of the stupidest things, naming the project "Project Khan". I understand it was done to give casual fans some kind of reference point, but it was stupid to me.

khan (n.)
title of sovereign princes in Tatar counties, c. 1400, from Turkic, literally "lord, prince," contraction of khaqan "ruler, sovereign." The word has been known in the languages of Europe since 13c.; compare Medieval Latin chanis, Medieval Greek kanes, Old French chan, Russian khanu. In time it degenerated and became a title of respect. The female form is khanum (1824), from Turkish khanim.

also from c. 1400

I think the eugenics wars were a 1960s conception of the next big thing that would tear humanity apart. Seems to not be something people fear as much anymore. I would love some super strength or hell, just not being legally blind without my contacts in.

I'll choose the second one.

 

[Noname Given]

A very touching episode. The obvious plot hole bugs me though. If Romulans started a war with Earth in the 21st century and basically destroyed the planet it seems a bit of a stretch that Humans were able to recover and build the UEF and Connies.

Not if the Vulcans showed up 'early' to make First Contact with Earth. They may not be close allies in the alt-Kirk 23rd century; but they may have been closer allies in the 21st century in a earlier Earth/Romulan war.

 

[gweeps]

I give this one an 8. Loved it. Had action, humour, and emotion.

Poutine ftw.

 

[Noname Given]

Wow, so this is the first in-universe confirmation that the timeline has shifted.

VOY's Future's End I & II
DS9's Trials And Tribbleations & Past Tense I & II
Star Trek: First Contact
ENT: Regeneration
PIC S2 (All 10 episodes)

...would disagree

 

[mattman8907]

so something I've been thinking about is that if the timeline is trying to restore itself then why hasn't the Kelvin universe tried to "heal" itself as well?