Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”

[NCC-73515]

We also don't really know if that was the real Jake telling her he never physically came back. Was it her imagination as she was reading the book? Was it a vision from the prophets? It's all very open to interpretation, which is clearly the intention. Sisko is Schroedinger's prophet, and has Schroedinger-returned

 

[CT_Phipps]

We also don't really know if that was the real Jake telling her he never physically came back. Was it her imagination as she was reading the book? Was it a vision from the prophets? It's all very open to interpretation, which is clearly the intention. Sisko is Schroedinger's prophet, and has Schroedinger-returned

The fact she tries to dismiss him and he doesn't go implies it was a real vision.

 

[NCC-73515]

A manifestation of intrusive thoughts then

 

[GothicPudding]

Didn't Vance or Kovich mention that the chaos after the burn led to historic details and records getting lost? That would explain the mistakes on a museum display

I assumed that the lack of mention of Kasidy's and Benjamin's child (along with the unknown status of Anslem) was a sign that the historical record was intentionally incomplete.

(Out of universe: the museum displays seemed to be practical, so it would have been more difficult to fix spelling errors in post-production.)

Between that, Benjamin Sisko's face in the clouds and SAM's vision(?) of Jake saying "He was always there. He never really left us. I can't prove it, but I know it's true." I'll assume that he returned in some form for Jake and his other child.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Fateor]

No, if it were even known about it'd be the responsibility of civilian Federation authorities. Starfleet guards and defends citizens in deep space, it doesn't automatically rush to the protection of every human on Earth if they get robbed by an alien visitor in a street brawl.

Starfleet security only showed up when Hoshi and Phlox were attacked on a San Francisco street in "Affliction(ENT)" because Hoshi was a Starfleet officer and had been physically attacked and Phlox was an official crewmember aboard Earth's flagship, a Starfleet vessel, and had been kidnapped.

That was before the Federation was even a thing...

Saying Sarah would have 'reported it' might be factual in your head but in reality it is a massive assumption. It is heavily implied by the fact that she abandoned Joseph and Ben and never contacted him, that the possession was non-consensual. I mean is the Prophet supposed to have taken Sarah out for coffee and said 'listen, i need to use your body for a year or so because you've been ordained to carry the chosen one' and Sarah just went 'ok' to that? We know from 'The Reckoning' that prophets do just jump into bodies and they don't particularly care about what happens to said body.

In real life victims of sexual assault and abuse can take years to process what has happened and to come forward to speak their truth. Sarah most likely knew that Joseph was a victim in all of this as well which is why she never went to authorities and accused him of wrong doing. But at the end of the day, Sarah never chose to love him and her body was used against her will and this is a trauma that she may never have felt able to deal with.

You seem to have forgotten that in The Reckoning the Prophet that took over Kira only did so because she was willing.

SISKO: Keep your hands off your weapons. It's a Prophet. Why have you taken this woman's body?
KIRA: This vessel is willing. The reckoning. It is time.

And no, I rather expect the Prophet showed Sarah something like all the good that Benjamin would go on to do in his life or possible both of the paths her life would take if she said yes/no.

 

[CrockAlley]

The prop was dumb. It was obviously made from a giant gummi bear or gummi candy. Probably melted in a microwave and poured it into a mold and cooled it in the freezer. When Obrien was eating his on DS9 it was more like a lollipop not a giant gummi candy.

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[NCC-73515]

 

[Detached Nacelle]

You seem to have forgotten that in The Reckoning the Prophet that took over Kira only did so because she was willing.

Circumstantial. The prophets have been shown to not care at all about the wants and needs of mortals. They may well have needed a willing vessel for their reckoning so they could operate at full power and not need to fend off the free will of the entity they inhabit but didn't need all their tricks to operate a meat puppet that would conceive their chosen one.

 

[fireproof78]

The fact she tries to dismiss him and he doesn't go implies it was a real vision.

I thought so. Otherwise there'd be run.

 

[Tosk]

I assumed that the lack of mention of Kasidy's and Benjamin's child (along with the unknown status of Anslem) was a sign that the historical record was intentionally incomplete.

Hard to know what errors might have been intentional and which weren't when there are about seven mistakes on that family tree.

 

[Mudd]

Because if uniforms aren't gendered, hair length shouldn't be either.

What does hair length have to do with "being gendered?"

Also, what the fuck is a jumja stick?

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Also, what the fuck is a jumja stick?

A sour Bajoran lolly

 

[Uhura's Song]

The SAM/Sisko/Jake/Tawny stuff was great.

The bar & the Kekric plot were not good. Fish d!ck? Boooo!

Still gave it an 8 for the strength of the A plot, which was wonderful.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

That was before the Federation was even a thing...



You seem to have forgotten that in The Reckoning the Prophet that took over Kira only did so because she was willing.

SISKO: Keep your hands off your weapons. It's a Prophet. Why have you taken this woman's body?
KIRA: This vessel is willing. The reckoning. It is time.

And no, I rather expect the Prophet showed Sarah something like all the good that Benjamin would go on to do in his life or possible both of the paths her life would take if she said yes/no.

The Prophet initially took her body without asking her and Kira was only willing after the fact. It was fortunate that Kira's faith and willingness made it consensual. But there is no guarantee that if Kira had asked the prophet to leave her body that it would have done so.

Again, Sarah abandoned Ben. Why would she not stay and help raise him if the Prophet had shown her who Ben would become? And you can argue that maybe Sarah was meant to leave so Joseph could marry Judith. However, given that Judith is the only mother that Sisko remembers, why didn't the Prophet just possess her from the start?

And you can expect all you want, but the evidence we actually have is that a Prophet possessed a woman against her will, forced her to have a relationship with a man and then forced her to have a baby.

 

[Enterprise1701]

And that makes me even madder that we still don't know what Sarah Sisko's real surname was since she evidently never wanted to be part of that marriage.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I waited for my son to be home from college before watching, and we just finished.

So many scenes of DS9 touched on the nature of heroes, of legends, of inspirations. Li Nalas, Akora, Michael Eddington, Kor, ... even Sisko himself.

This episode understood this, and it was suffused with this search for figures, for role models, that can shape your life. The facts don't entirely matter.

It touched on how difficult it can be to live in service to one's community, one's country, the pain that it can cause, and still the opportunities for happiness.

It touched on the euphoria of learning new things and integrating them.

And it showed how a power fan can effectively Mary Sue her way into her favorite series.

My son gave it a 10. I'm rounding up to 10, but not that much.

 

[Tosk]

Personally, I don't tend to view Sarah Sisko as "possessed" in the way that Kira was.

I cannot fathom her living with Joseph for two years as 100% Prophet just pretending to be human, I think she carried the 'essence' of a Prophet within her in a subtler way.

Joseph Sisko "I loved that woman and she loved me. I know she did." "...you and your stepmother were so close. She made you laugh like nobody else..."

When Prophet-Sarah talks about that time, she doesn't talk about possession or force. She says she shared Sarah's existence. That she guided her to Joseph. That's not to say it wasn't some form of control. Sarah leaving a year after Ben was born does tell us that without that shared existence she no longer wanted to be there. Beyond that it's guesswork and assumptions. Which I'm all for.

And it showed how a power fan can effectively Mary Sue her way into her favorite series.

And that's after she'd already been inserted into DS9's history via Lower Decks. Damn greedy!

 

[1001001]

I thoroughly enjoyed that.

There’s your valentine to DS9.

My wife and I spent quite a while talking with Cirroc at a convention in San Francisco a couple of years ago. Great to see Jake!

Tawny as Dax…



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[TRON JA307020]

A sour Bajoran lolly

Not anymore. Its now a gummi on a stick

But youre right. It was like a super sweet giant lollipop.