Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”

[CT_Phipps]

I mean....can't they be prepared multiple ways?

 

[Farscape One]

The jumja stick was still easily recognizable as a jumja stick when Caleb was eating it.

I don't see a problem.

 

[fireproof78]

The jumja stick was still easily recognizable as a jumja stick when Caleb was eating it.

I don't see a problem.

 

[Galaxy]

According to interviews, Avery approved of this episode. He got to read script and signed off on it.

Although one should take a cautious stance on this, since he obviously did not agree to have his likeness used. It might simply have been a $$$$$$ issue, but could suggest that he was not 100% enthused.

 

[Tuskin38]

Although one should take a cautious stance on this, since he obviously did not agree to have his likeness used.

Where was it said he didn't allow it? It could of have just been a narrative choice, and they did explain it in the episode.

but could suggest that he was not 100% enthused.

Cirroc says other wise.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Where was it said he didn't allow it? It could of have just been a narrative choice, and they did explain it in the episode.

Whether they refused or he refused, reusing the 1990s footage would probably have made the episode look cheap with all the complicated graphics the show uses. (Many of my Star Trek board games tend to look cheap because of the use of screenshots.)

 

[Galaxy]

Where was it said he didn't allow it? It could of have just been a narrative choice, they did explain it in the episode.

It would be an odd choice, since this show is intended to bring people unfamiliar with Star Trek into the franchise. To talk about the great Sisko and then not show who he is was makes it more difficult for people who have never heard of Sisko to build rapport. People want a face to attach to.

Cirroc says other wise.

And that could be the truth or it could be PR.

 

[Tosk]

Whether they refused or he refused, reusing the 1990s footage would probably have made the episode look cheap with all the complicated graphics the show uses. (Many of my Star Trek board games tend to look cheap because of the use of screenshots.)

I don't believe anyone was talking about using actual DS9 footage.

 

[Tuskin38]

reusing the 1990s footage would probably have made the episode look cheap with all the complicated graphics the show uses.

Discovery did it fine reusing the footage of Spock and the progenitors footage from TNG.

or it could be PR.

Very unlikely. Cirroc and Avery are close.

 

[CT_Phipps]

Although one should take a cautious stance on this, since he obviously did not agree to have his likeness used. It might simply have been a $$$$$$ issue, but could suggest that he was not 100% enthused.

I mean, the ending had them use it didn't they? Wasn't the blacked out just a build up to that?

 

[Galaxy]

I mean, the ending had them use it didn't they? Wasn't the blacked out just a build up to that?

You mean the cloud? I doubt that would be considered likeness enough trigger a payment requirement.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The jumja stick was still easily recognizable as a jumja stick when Caleb was eating it.

I don't see a problem.

I just wish they would have made it a different texture instead of gummi candy. But im over it now. I think. Lol

 

[Guy Gardener]

It changed a lot due to the Temporal Cold War *

* I was genuinely stunned that this wasn't why they did ENTERPRISE as a way to free up the timeline.

They must have been temporally shielding entire solar systems at the height of the cold war, so it's only the rest of the universe dealing with temporal fallout.

 

[GothicPudding]

Discovery did it fine reusing the footage of Spock and the progenitors footage from TNG.

I figure Discovery used HD footage from TNG from rescanning the original negatives for the Blu-ray releases, but almost none of DS9 has been rescanned.

But, I think they used old footage for Lofton's photo on the wall in the museum. There's probably more than enough high quality promotional photos available if they wanted a better image of a main character from a prior show.

 

[NCC-73515]

A bit of DS9 was rescanned for the WWLB documentary

 

[FederationHistorian]

I've avoided SFA up until now. And I know what I liked about the episode.

Jake Sisko, Tawny's cameo as Dax and Avery Brooks' poem. Colbert's cameo and The Doctor reflecting on Doctor Zimmerman. And I can acknowledge that the life of Sisko was used to help SAM on her journey was a good use of Sisko in the episode. These were the best parts of the episode.

Ake and Reno were just...there. The rest was goofy. And not because of being from SAM's perspective either. It just gave vibes of being a goofy show aimed at kids. I'm pretty sure that is the point.

I cannot go too hard against the show's vibe, or that tone will be gone - a lesson learned from critiquing Disco's first season and the later nostalgia for certain aspects of that season. But its clear that SFA is not for me. And that's okay.

I'm not even sure if i should bother scoring the episode since the DS9 aspect and SFA aspect were vastly disparate in tone.

 

[Happy Hopping]

the last minute of the episode, where Avery Brooks spoke, is that some old recording from 1 of his episode in DS9? or did he do a guest star? because the IMDB didn't mention his name on that episode

 

[Elaise]

Hah! Same. I was literally thinking - isn't he supposed to be the show's big bad?

Agreed. I don't know why anyone pretends this is so difficult to understand. Obviously Benjamin Sisko is NOT a deadbeat dad - even if he stayed in the Celestial Temple and never returned per the original ending. Sisko is clearly a model figure for a parent in all the ways that matter.

The issue is not necessarily IN UNIVERSE. The issue is that in the real world - there is a negative stereotype leveraged against African-American fathers as being someone who makes a family but then abandons them. In no way, even with the best science fiction reasoning, did Brooks want Sisko to be a man that leaves his family behind. In the show, he chooses to stay with the Prophets to learn from them and teach them. It's not a case that he is trapped there against his will. Since it is a choice to remain with them, he is essentially leaving his family behind to pursue his "destiny." It's why Brooks wanted them to at least add that at SOME point, he would return. Since it isn't linear, he could be with the Prophets for a million years and return one second after talking to Kassidy or a year later or whenever.

This is an OUT OF UNIVERSE reasoning behind it. Unfortunately, the average viewer may watch a film or show and point out a stereotype and claim to see truth in it or leverage it against a person in real life. Is it dumb that a person watches a film/show and think there is "truth" about any group of people? YES. But that is the grim reality of it and Brooks was conscious of that. He did not want Sisko, a character that did a lot to be a positive role model, to reinforce it in any way.

This is not that complicated.

I think he might care to some degree, but I did notice that he does not seem to want to directly be involved with Trek anymore. He's just done with it and said all he wanted to say. When he didn't come back for the What You Leave Behind documentary - I thought he was just officially done with all things Trek.

It's hard to read his feelings on this as all we get are second-hand follow ups on people that spoke with him. I don't doubt that Cirroc took great care on this, though. I suspect that down the line - maybe at a convention or future interview - it will be directly asked to Cirroc or Tawny how Brooks specifically felt about his character's return being so "ominous" in light of what he felt in the 90s.

I can only guess he probably gave his blessing because Tawny implied that Sisko DOES return. She said that they were super conscious of Sisko's promise to return but they felt restricted because there has been no mention of Sisko coming back (I am assuming she meant the Picard series, Prodigy, or Lower Decks never talking about him). Now suddenly they are restricted by canon. The one time they should have just filled in the gaps with their own narrative. *SIGH*
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I know back with the Deep Space Nine finale, it was important to Avery for Sisko to say he was going to return in some form so the character was not someone who abandons his family. How did that factor into exploring the mystery of Sisko?

"It was massively important to all of us in the writers room to honor that request. And then we had to square that with the fact that we have seen a lot added to the canon, and there hasn’t been any mention of seeing him. So that puts you in a little bit of a storytelling quandary. How do we say this man came back, yet nobody’s talked about him, and we haven’t seen hide nor hair of him? So we sort of had to get into the territory of something that maybe science and Starfleet records can’t explain. So that’s why we wanted to put it in Jake’s mouth at the end where he literally says, “I can’t prove it.” But all those things you think he missed, he didn’t. He was there."
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Again, she seems to imply Sisko did return in some capacity. She said they wanted to "honor that request". I don't know why the episode made it so cryptic.

Does it look like he approved the script? Yes - I don't see Cirroc disrespecting Brook's legacy like that. Was it still a weird choice in light of Sisko literally telling Kassidy he would return? Also - yes.

On the last part there. They could have, there is a ton of ways they could have done it, hell they had dax there. It makes it much easier to do especially given it took place 800 years in the future. To me saying what they did was a cop-out for reasons I do not understand.

 

[Tosk]

the last minute of the episode, where Avery Brooks spoke, is that some old recording from 1 of his episode in DS9? or did he do a guest star? because the IMDB didn't mention his name on that episode

It's from an album he released in the 2000s.

 

[Happy Hopping]

but he was talking, not singing?