Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[Paul Weaver]

Yeah. But I wish we would get some new original franchises. Almost all the ones milked right now are 30-60 years old.

We won't get many large franchises again. Nobody is producing 100 episode series with the same cast except for cheap fantasy procedurals (fantasy from the scripts, set in the current day), let alone multiple ones.

"The Expanse" ran to 62 episodes (and itself was based on a book series). Game of Thrones 73.

For All Mankind has a spinoff, but 40 episodes in 6 years and maybe reach 100 episodes over 10 years and two shows, although I'm not convinced as they progress further into the future.

There have been some long lasting TV series (say over 65 episodes -- so TOS numbers) that have been airing in the last 20 years, mostly set in modern day though, and almost all in the broadcast era. Supernatural and Walking Dead come to mind, but also

* Once Upon a Time (well characters were based on fairy tale characters so maybe not genuinely new)
* Fringe
* Warehouse 13
* Eureaka

And ones based on previous works (Agents of Shield, the DC Arrowverse, Smallville)

But to get to original franchises in my view needs a lot of episodes and needs to deliver them quickly to keep the interest. 10 episodes every couple of years (Apple's production schedule) doesn't really do it.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

The 100 lasted for seven seasons and 100 episodes. It was based on a book but the tv show came out before the book did.

 

[Nerys Myk]

She’s from the 24th century, I’m from the 20th, so…

Time Travel?

 

[tenmei]

The 100 started in March 2014, the book was published September 2013.

 

[Dar70]

We won't get many large franchises again. Nobody is producing 100 episode series with the same cast except for cheap fantasy procedurals (fantasy from the scripts, set in the current day), let alone multiple ones.

"The Expanse" ran to 62 episodes (and itself was based on a book series). Game of Thrones 73.

For All Mankind has a spinoff, but 40 episodes in 6 years and maybe reach 100 episodes over 10 years and two shows, although I'm not convinced as they progress further into the future.

There have been some long lasting TV series (say over 65 episodes -- so TOS numbers) that have been airing in the last 20 years, mostly set in modern day though, and almost all in the broadcast era. Supernatural and Walking Dead come to mind, but also

* Once Upon a Time (well characters were based on fairy tale characters so maybe not genuinely new)
* Fringe
* Warehouse 13
* Eureaka

And ones based on previous works (Agents of Shield, the DC Arrowverse, Smallville)

But to get to original franchises in my view needs a lot of episodes and needs to deliver them quickly to keep the interest. 10 episodes every couple of years (Apple's production schedule) doesn't really do it.

Well I was thinking movie and tv. Most of them have been played out. Some running since 1960's (Star Trek) 1977 ( Star Wars) ....and many have TV and film franchises since. Star Trek and Star Wars do not need any more movies tbh. The TV shows budgets are movie level now. Star Wars has been decent (Andor/Mandalorain) Star Trek not nearly as good.

We got a new Jurassic Park that was pretty good. But again. Another played out franchise. Marvel/DC totally played out. Is there really anywhere else to go??? Probably not. I know for me it's extremely hard to get into new scif/Fant shows/movies now. But most are just new stuff within old franchises.

Not saying I don't find stuff to like. I do. But nothing really wows me anymore like it used to. I did watch a good action film a few weeks ago. A new franchise. Shows promise. But the lead actor is in his mid 60'$.... ... so I don't think it will go beyond three films. It has two installments so far. Sisu. Not a bad film. I hear the second is even better.

 

[Dar70]

Studios are so risk-averse right now that it takes a miracle to get any original IP greenlit.

Yeah I have heard that. That's too bad ..

 

[Turtletrekker]

It took Stranger Things nearly a decade to produce 42 episodes.

 

[bdub76]

Studios are so risk-averse right now that it takes a miracle to get any original IP greenlit.

Have to watch shows on Apple TV these days to see new potential franchises.

 

[Farscape One]

*blinks in For All Mankind and Star City*

I love FOR ALL MANKIND and looking forward to STAR CITY.

 

[Dar70]

It took Stranger Things nearly a decade to produce 42 episodes.

Which is precisely why I stopped watching it. Mid season 3...

 

[Tuskin38]

You can spot the emerald chain flagship in the background

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

One of the possible debate topics in #StarfleetAcademy's "Vox in Excelso" is "The Geopolitical Impact of the Emerald Chain", as can be seen in this graphic. It features the Emeral Chain emblem, Orion writing and a side view of Osyraa's ship, the Viridian, all from season 3 of #StarTrekDiscovery.

bsky.app

 

[CT_Phipps]

I take it that Klingon honor was satisfied not so much by beating the Federation but by the Federation being willing to let themselves be beaten.

 

[Tuskin38]

Sometimes the solution is obvious in an episode, but they write the characters oblivious for the sake of the story.

Like look at TNG's Darmok. It's pretty damn clear from the start that the Tamarians were speaking in metaphors, but it takes the crew most of the episode to figure it out.

 

[fireproof78]

Sometimes the solution is obvious in an episode, but they write the characters oblivious for the sake of the story.

Like look at TNG's Darmok. It's pretty damn clear from the start that the Tamarians were speaking in metaphors, but it takes the crew most of the episode to figure it out.

Ensigns of Command is far more egregious.

 

[Ceridwen]

To be fair, Worf did stop trying to turn Alexander into a warrior at the end of TNG's run (in "Firstborn"). It was Alexander who ended up signing up for the Klingon Defense Force on his own during the Dominion War.

That might have had something to do with the fact that his father abandoned him again. (Still not over that.)

 

[Greg Cox]

Can you imagine how the griftersphere on YouTube would implode in performative rage if we had new Trek, Wars, LotR, & GoT spinoffs airing at the same time?

Don't forget Doctor Who.

 

[Firebird]

Don't forget Doctor Who.

Good lord, those grifters' rage would power a small country if Who was on, too.

 

[Commander Troi]

Maybe I'm just in an emotionally fragile spot right now (my mother died last night)

I'm so sorry, honey. *HUGS*

 

[Commander Troi]

Hubby and I were very impressed with this episode, especially with the actor playing Jay'Den. As someone who's had them, I thought his panic attacks were extremely well done. Yes, the solution for the main plot was easy to figure out, but the character work elevated the whole episode for me.

 

[Frontis]

Another great episode with a very intersesting story about the Klingons. Escpecially loved Karim Diané as Jay-Den Kraag, amazing performance.