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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”

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It's not gathering information about organics that is the mission. It's to see if organics can be trusted.

Yeah I get that but my point still stands. They have info on organics already so they should be able to make some kind of determination. But I get that they send SAM to maybe do a deeper investigation into organics but they seem super impatient. They send SAM to Starfleet Academy and within weeks are demanding an answer and threatening to recall her and call her a failure. It would take more time thant that to determine if organics can be trusted. Additionally, surely the Makers know that organics are very diverse. Maybe some organics can be trusted and some can't. It is not all or nothing. So to demand SAM go to SFA and within weeks determine if all organics can be trusted does not make sense to me.
 
It was nice seeing Cirroc again. However, with DS9 being one of my favorite shows, I didn't get much out of this episode. It would be nice to hear what someone not familiar with DS9 would take away from this. Also, the comedic tone of the show hasn't landed with me. I hope it is resonating with the demographic they're targeting.
 
This episode had a beautiful message and was a loving DS9 tribute. I was left deeply satisfied with the fact that it didn't try to add any convoluted coda to the finale.

I'm left with Trill symbiont questions as either we have a 1175 year old symbiont which seems too old based on what we know or there are untold stories that happened in the between centuries which is much more fun to imagine.
 
Tone was bonkers. They did an excellent job making a wacky SAM intro into a DS9 loveletter, but all the stuff with Ake and co was awful.

It struck me as very off that they'd have "Thank you, Avery" at the end. Casuals will assume he's died or something. I'm not sure they should add the thanks onto a story that is the opposite of what Avery has always said would be his ending...that for Sisko being a father would be more important than any prophets and he wouldn't leave his children forever.

I don't think actor's wishes should dictate creative choices, just odd to thank Avery and use his voice when he would hate Sisko never returning.
 
But at the end of the day, any efforts to bring Sisko back would have been… disappointing at best. Insulting to the character of Benjamin Sisko and the legacy of DS9 at worst. The mystery is the more important part here. Bringing him back for some epic battle or just to be there for Kass, Jake and the baby just would have seemed somewhat hollow. Like Jake said, Ben was always there. It follows through with one of the key points of DS9 about faith.
I think it's a bigger insult to the character that they did not honor the wish of the actor who brought him to life. Much bigger insult. It would be honoring the character and the actor to have said he returned - even if they kept it ambiguous on the how or what he did upon returning.

The mystery of his fate isn't important at all considering what kicked this off. SAM is looking to understand what it means to be an emissary to another group and the burden that comes with that role. She still could have explored Sisko's life and tried to understand what he went through as an Emissary to the Prophets. Even the ending of understanding that being an emissary is a life of self-sacrifice could have been pulled from what he went through in his life and what he did at the Fire Caves. Him not returning wasn't really needed to advance her plot.

This also goes beyond the plot. The issue is that they went out of their way to ensure Sisko will return to his family per Avery's insistence. This "reveal" just spat all over that. Avery Brooks did not want Sisko to be with his family "in spirit" but to actually return and be there for them. If DS9 ended with the original dialogue of Sisko saying he is ascending to be with the Prophets and would never return - I would have been fine with the reveal in this episode, if not a tinge disappointed.
The episode makes clear anyway that the Sisko has become so central to the Bajorans that proving he came back to live a quiet life on Bajor would be like proving Jesus didn't exist. He is a religious metaphor, and religion doesn't offer concrete answers.
Sisko isn't just a religious metaphor. He's an actual concrete being in this universe forced into a religious role. The Bajorans revered Sisko, not because he died (they revered him long before that), but because of his connection to the Prophets. He is their conduit to speak to them and he in turn conveying their words to them. Him returning would not have changed that. Even if I granted this is purely metaphorical and Sisko was a Christ-like metaphor from the Bajoran's POV, him dying and returning would reinforce that - not diminish it.

Also, as I said above, this isn't about the internal plot of Trek. It's about the external reasoning behind Sisko returning for a particular reason. His return was not meant to be some "cool - we get him for some more battles!" but a very personal story about a man and his family - something CENTRAL to his character from the pilot to the finale.
I expected Illa to turn out to be a Sisko descendant. The Dax reveal was a welcome surprise.
I thought they were going to reveal that she is his descendent too and that she may have been the descendent of his second child (as a way to include her in the plot).
I understand why Avery Brooks asked for that change in the finale, but even without that, I never saw him sacrificing himself to stop Dukat and the Pah-Wraiths as becoming an absentee father. He did that to end a threat to everyone, which includes his unborn child. That's not an act of being an absentee father. That's an act of love.

It's no different than a father serving in the military getting killed in the line of duty. Or a father who is a firefighter that walks into a burning or collapsing building to save other lives. Or a father who is a police officer and is killed while protecting someone from a criminal.
I agree that he wouldn't be an absentee father in the way one typically thinks of one, but Brooks wanted Sisko to be a very healthy depiction of an African-American family on television in the 90s. So any narratives that skirts into negative depictions or tropes, even if it could be explained away via sci-fi plots, was something he did not want for the character.
But I get that they send SAM to maybe do a deeper investigation into organics but they seem super impatient. They send SAM to Starfleet Academy and within weeks are demanding an answer and threatening to recall her and call her a failure. It would take more time thant that to determine if organics can be trusted. Additionally, surely the Makers know that organics are very diverse. Maybe some organics can be trusted and some can't. It is not all or nothing. So to demand SAM go to SFA and within weeks determine if all organics can be trusted does not make sense to me.
I agree. I feel like the "threat" was very artificially inflated by having her makers be so irrationally impatient. The writing on that was a bit wonky just so we'd feel a time crunch threat on the plot. I don't understand why every story nowadays has to be so high-stakes and cannot simply be a personal journey for growth and understanding. If any show would allow for that type of story telling - it would be Star Trek.

They could have had SAM want to better understand her role there as an emissary to her people and the plot could have continued unchanged. She could still feel frustration as she struggled to understand Sisko's journey and if she is following a similar trajectory, she could still learn the lesson of self-sacrifice and the burden the role carries, she could still retrace his footsteps on Earth, she could still need to learn from Dax and Jake, etc. The plot could have remained largely the same without this looming threat she'd be forced to return home as a failure.
 
The section before the intro was awful (like, real bad) and had me terrified this episode was gonna be a total miss but thankfully after that things went a lot better. I didn't mind the dinner scene.

This follows the Lower Decks formula where the old show and characters only exist to enhance the arc the current character is on rather than having the legacy stuff steal away time so we can get washed in nostalgia, so that's a plus. It's interesting this show is going the route of zero love triangles. (More and more I'm feeling like the show overall is close to how a Lower Decks type show would feel in live action).

Also Tawny Newsome gets to write an episode about her favourite Trek show where she can cast herself as a character she loved and everyone says the episode is great that's living the dream right there.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first time one of the DS9 main cast has returned as their character in live-action since the series ended? Even including Voyager and Enterprise and the movies. Excluding Worf, who returned in Nemesis and Picard in roles that were far more focused on him being a former TNG cast member.

Who would've thought that Cirroc would be the first to come back over 25 years later? Even accepting that he's playing a mix of a hologram/recording and a bit of an "imaginary friend."

Obligatory caveats, mostly dealing with why I specified "live-action":
  • Nana Visitor/Kira, Armin Shimerman/Quark, and Alexander Siddig/alternate Bashir in Lower Decks. Quark in very Short Treks too. I suppose if you want to count the image of Morn, he was present in Lower Decks too; Mark Allan Shepard wasn't credited, but he spoke as much as he usually does. 😆
  • Rene Auberjonois returned as a different character in Enterprise. He also returned as Odo in archive audio in Prodigy. (I think we saw a photo of him in Picard too.)
  • We saw O'Brien's unvoiced likeness in Lower Decks, though even that was more in his TNG role.
  • I was only referring to main cast; though even for recurring I can't think of any in live-action. Andrew Robinson/alternate Garak and J.G. Hertzler/Martok were in Lower Decks and very Short Treks, as was Curzon Dax, now played by Fred Tatasciore. Jeffrey Combs and others actors returned (such as in Enterprise) in different roles. The skulls of alternate Dukat and possibly alternate Zek were in Picard season 2, I guess?
  • And I suppose the archive audio of Avery Brooks here basically fits the description I gave, which would make it something of a tie, though I wouldn't say Brooks has "returned" since I don't think he ever showed up to record anything.
 
I think it's a bigger insult to the character that they did not honor the wish of the actor who brought him to life. Much bigger insult. It would be honoring the character and the actor to have said he returned - even if they kept it ambiguous on the how or what he did upon returning.


This also goes beyond the plot. The issue is that they went out of their way to ensure Sisko will return to his family per Avery's insistence. This "reveal" just spat all over that. Avery Brooks did not want Sisko to be with his family "in spirit" but to actually return and be there for them. If DS9 ended with the original dialogue of Sisko saying he is ascending to be with the Prophets and would never return - I would have been fine with the reveal in this episode, if not a tinge disappointed.

Sisko isn't just a religious metaphor. He's an actual concrete being in this universe forced into a religious role.

I agree that he wouldn't be an absentee father in the way one typically thinks of one, but Brooks wanted Sisko to be a very healthy depiction of an African-American family on television in the 90s. So any narratives that skirts into negative depictions or tropes, even if it could be explained away via sci-fi plots, was something he did not want for the character.
Which makes me wonder (hope) if there is going to be a follow up. Apparently there is a surprise comeback in season 2. The way they wrote this as it stands now does appear to be tone deaf, especially with that "Thanks Avery" they threw in at the end. They could have easily written in Sisko coming back but choosing a life of privacy in the countryside of Bajor. It seems deliberate that they did not.
 
The section before the intro was awful (like, real bad) and had me terrified this episode was gonna be a total miss but thankfully after that things went a lot better.
I liked it, but I seem to be in the minority on that one. But it did hit me quickly that it was going to be very divisive and a bridge too far for many people.

Neat way of getting us inside SAM's head, and the "fourth-wall breaks" seem like that's basically her imagination as she's monologuing her story to "Sisko" at the end. It's cute and even a little sweet on second viewing. It sort of sets up the "imaginary Jake" sequence too.

Certainly not something I want them to make a habit of, but it worked for me here.
 
Cirroc said the way Sisko is brought back in this episode was acceptable to Avery.

Updated link. I think they originally posted it too early and took it down and reposted:


A few quotes from a quick initial skim:
Cirroc: Wow, it’s amazing. I’ve been sitting on this for a while. I’ve been excited, but you can’t talk about it all this time, so I’m finally able to share it my excitement with everybody. I felt a huge responsibility to make it this right to bring back Jake in a way that was believable, and also to honor Mr. Brooks in a way that was acceptable to him.

Tawny: Everyone knows the story of Mr. Brooks asking the showrunners to add that line into the finale of Deep Space Nine where he said that he would come back for his family. Okay, that tells us as future writers, we have to assert that he did indeed come back, and we should have Jake himself say it, and the legacy that he leaves behind is one of love and one of just incredible sacrifice for his family and for the franchise, and in a meta way, that’s the same legacy that the character’s legacy is the same as Mr. Brooks’ legacy
They might've made it a bit too subtle, but it looks like the intent was to imply that he did come back.
 
What kind of species thinks it's a good idea to put holes in their spoons when eating food?
I'm thinking that the whole idea is that it's a Militaristic Ceremony meant to convey the ideals of the participants.
Actually eating the soup, isn't really a prominent part of the protocol.
It's just part of the pomp.
 
Which makes me wonder (hope) if there is going to be a follow up. Apparently there is a surprise comeback in season 2. The way they wrote this as it stands now does appear to be tone deaf, especially with that "Thanks Avery" they threw in at the end. They could have easily written in Sisko coming back but choosing a life of privacy in the countryside of Bajor. It seems deliberate that they did not.

At least we now know the extra-shocking character reveal isn't Dax, because Dax is now.
 
“When he was married to Kassidy it was the happiest months of their lives”

Um…

The Defiant was destroyed
The Breen joined the Dominion and attacked San Francisco
Julian uncovered a genocide plot by Federation citizens
Ezri and Worf were POWs
Odo was dying
Kira was sent off to train Cardassians how to be resistance fighters.
Ben ordered Worf to kill Gowron and take control of the Klingon High Council
Sarah Sisko kept appearing in visions telling him he was going to know nothing but sorrow
Starfleet lost their only beachhead in Dominion space at Chin’toka
Kai Winn was sleeping with hitler trying to release the Devil from prison.


HAPPIEST TIMES EVERYONE
 
Which makes me wonder (hope) if there is going to be a follow up. Apparently there is a surprise comeback in season 2. The way they wrote this as it stands now does appear to be tone deaf, especially with that "Thanks Avery" they threw in at the end. They could have easily written in Sisko coming back but choosing a life of privacy in the countryside of Bajor. It seems deliberate that they did not.
That is something I find super odd. Whoever wrote this episode, at least the DS9 side of things, clearly did their research on Sisko. It was odd on how that was missed.

The thing that really irritates me is it wasn't needed. SAM could have had the exact same plot line, character growth, journey, etc. without adding that. They leaned so heavily on his not returning as a crutch for the plot line for no real reason.
Cirroc has said the way Sisko is brought back in this episode was acceptable to Avery.

Unfortunately, I can't read it. When I open the link it says

"Oops! That page can't be found!"

I tried googling it but it says the same thing. I don't know the context of what he said. Can you elaborate, please? Or was it "acceptable to Avery"? If so - was he asked about the fact that they did the one thing he literally asked them not to?
 
Updated link. I think they originally posted it too early and took it down and reposted:


A few quotes from a quick initial skim:



They might've made it a bit too subtle, but it looks like the intent was to imply that he did come back.

Then that line by Sam at the end wherever you are Benjamin you were a good father and raised a great son, was a bit unfortunate.

If that was the intent I wished they would have directly stated that the book contains Sisko's life on Bajor and Jake never published it since Sisko is such a revered figure.
 
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