Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x03 - "Starstruck"

[cooleddie74]

Constitution-class nacelles on an NX-class ship. They're decades out of place.

 

[ToddCam]

Trigger warning: thoughts about suicide:

Spoiler

Suicide is a horrible thing most of the time, but I do understand that there could just be no inherent need to keep living if one chooses that life has no additional value. It's like, if you were immortal and ageless, you might just reach a point where you would like to have a completed life, because there's just not enough there to make it worth continuing. And since we are not ageless, ending it before the inevitable infirmity that comes from very advanced age encroaches has an appeal. When I think about my own dying, I think, well, maybe I will have equanimity, or die in my sleep. But more likely it will be with a burst of fear, perhaps with great pain, and then nothing. There is a great appeal in being able to control that and say, 'time to go.' So I would say, it wouldn't be death from boredom, but death of my own choosing after a life complete, or as complete as it's likely to be.

 

[ToddCam]

Constitution-class nacelles on an NX-class ship. They're decades out of place.

Maybe that NX is a refurbish? The old nacelles didn't work, or couldn't be upgraded to then-modern standards?

 

[cooleddie74]

Could be. But there's no on-screen explanation so it remains a mystery.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

A bit random that a Discovery drawing was shown with the other Enterprises. In-universe this seems odd. I liked the industrial replicator with the 3d printing arms. The process of replicating the components while also assembling them rather than just replicating everything at once made for a good dramatic set piece, and makes the technology seem a little more techy than magicky.. gotta love that!

It makes sense in terms of getting the best of both worlds. Replicating what's needed and holding things up in space with a tractor beam while it's put in place. It's probably a more "Energy Efficient" form of Industrial level sized replication compared to the small Food Replicators or slightly larger Industrial Replicator pads we see in TNG.

When you're making something the size of a shuttle and don't want it to consume a butt ton of energy, it seems sensible to allow it to take a few minutes extra to save alot more power.

Replicating Vehicles isn't something that needs to be done very often compared to food, so speed isn't as necessary for large items like a shuttle.

While entertaining, this ep felt like a kid's show. 7.

ST:Prodigy is a kids show, it was designed for kids. It's partly sponsered by Nickelodeon which is a Kids Channel / Network.

The Blue Central Circle is the Bussard Collector?
What makes you think that?
The regular nacelles don't seem to have standard Bussard Collectors.

I know, they look closer to JJ-verse Bussard Collectors, but the shape seems to match the standard Bussard Collectors sitting outside on the Warp Nacelle pylons.

I know a third nacelle pops out from the Dorsal Hatch, but Jakom was in engineering where the two Warp cores are.
It seems like a weird place to put a Bussard Collector if you ask me (which would also make the entire section inaccessible when the third nacelle is in use - ergo, you aren't allowed access to the Warp Cores either if something goes wrong).

ST: Discovery spent an entire season with it's rear Shuttle Bay doors open and the Force Fields up.

I'm sure there are Force Fields ready to activate when you deploy the 3rd Nacelle.

I swear, this ship feels very Proto-type-ish.

Would Trans Warp as a technology alone be enough to entice the Diviner?
The Borg have that technology, and with the recent destruction of the Borg unicomplex... they'd be easy pickings for TW coils, etc. Plus the Diviner seems to have A LOT of technology and power at his disposal - plus we still don't know how he learned of the Protostar or its capabilities.

Considering how rare "Trans Warp" is in general (Voth & Borg are the only two species known to have "Trans Warp" level of speeds.) Obviously UFP has QSS (Quantum Slip Stream), but that's a variant of similar tech.

I mean, sure, the possibilities of traveling at say 60 Ly's in 10 seconds (if the TW speed is comparable to the Voth ship VOY encountered - or heck, even 'infinite velocity) open up massive potential for expanding ones slave operations and where he could trade his mineral... but it seems like a 'tunnel vision' if you ask me, and for some reason, I keep thinkgin its not the only thing the Protostar has up its sleeve (still, as I said, I could be wrong) - but that Blue 'core' between the 2 Warp cores was located in what seemed like engineering... so, TW alone could be it.

Also, am I the only one who thinks using manual labor for mining is just plain stupid because its slow, inefficient, etc.?
The Diviner also has a massive amount of those security bots that look like mini Reapers... which would seem adequate enough to perform mining operations themselves (not to mention faster and wouldn't require breaks).

I agree, it's dumb that he has a slave mining operation when he can just make Holographic or Robotic Drone work force.
There has to be another reason why he kidnaps alien children. I think the reason is that he wants to find a genetically compatible species to pair with his daughter for mating to keep his species alive.

The slavery bit was just a excuse to not send those children back once he found out they weren't genetically compatible.

I know, I know... even in the face of automation, some nasty individuals (like the Cardassians and the Diviner) would use slave labor due to the negative psychological aspects it brings to keep people under their control... but if you efficiently want to mine something (especially in a future where you have access to pretty much fantastic technology), automation would be the answer... not people.

I concur, but some people don't want to do things the more "Efficient & Moral" way of doing things.

Bad Guys going to be Bad.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

10/10. A Space Mountain ride of an episode.

I love Pog and Rok Tahk.

I like that Dal has a lot of growing to do as a leader, or wannabe leader. Although, I wish the writers went for more of an opposite type from the cocky, hotshot trope.

I didn't mind the Shuttlecraft printer. Would explain how Voyager had all those shuttles even after crashing dozens of them. Also, we've heard of industrial replicators before so it stands to reason a starship might have one of those.

And Janeway needs her coffee... even as a hologram.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I concur, every StarShip needs a "Industrial Replicator" if it doesn't take up that much space when you use Industrial Mechanical Arms to assemble your large object. Yeah, it might be slower (minutes vs seconds) to replicate your large item. But you might save ALOT of energy in the process when replicating speed isn't a priority.

 

[DEWLine]

As for Crossfield-class ships...I'm sure there were others aside from Crossfield, Glenn and Discovery. Most of the rest of them probably looked like the Discovery did in that first test-animation/promo clip we saw for the series way back when.

So, I'm reading reviews commenting on a sector-labelled map?

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'm mildly surprised that I don't seem to find Dal as annoying as most others seem to. I mean, I get what they're going for with him. He's kind of an overly contemporary type, but that would be intentional as he's somebody that the intended audience is meant to relate to, or at least recognize.

 

[Deks]

I concur, every StarShip needs a "Industrial Replicator" if it doesn't take up that much space when you use Industrial Mechanical Arms to assemble your large object. Yeah, it might be slower (minutes vs seconds) to replicate your large item. But you might save ALOT of energy in the process when replicating speed isn't a priority.

The thing with ordinary replicators in general is that they don't occupy that much space to begin with.
Industrial grade ones are basically the same thing with more programs in place and possibly greater pattern buffers too, so they can produce larger items in one go.

Otherwise, I see no reason why ordinary replicators couldn't be 'networked' to work as one... this method could effectively boost the pattern buffer and operational capacity in the absence of an industrial grade replicator.

The ENT-D replicators certainly had the ability to produce complex elements... so ordinary vs industrial replication is probably in scale... not that ordinary ones cannot replicate things the industrials one can (unless they are intentionally restricted by programmers in functionality - but that's up to the programmers discretion, not a replicator limitation per say).

But yeah, shuttlebays, cargobays, and larger spaces in general would probably be more than big enough to house industrial grade replicators (I wouldn't peg them to be larger than your run of the mill transporter pad, which fits into aforementioned areas).

Also, I'm not sure about using robotic arms for the purpose of presenting them as shuttlecraft replicator.
Mainly because it looks like a generic robotic 3d printer (which we had in real life for a few years)... not a replicator which converts energy into matter using transporter principles (though this one was illustrated in the mess hall).

To me, it would seem eminently easier that a replicator capable of making a shuttle would have a transporter buffer which would be programmed with a shuttle pattern configuration then materialize it when sufficient energy is accumulated in one go as opposed to making small bits and pieces.
Or at least, they could have created something along the lines of a forcefield in the shape of a shuttle, then materializing the shuttle from the ground up in the same amount of time.

I dunno, it just seems more logical like that .

 

[Deks]

It makes sense in terms of getting the best of both worlds. Replicating what's needed and holding things up in space with a tractor beam while it's put in place. It's probably a more "Energy Efficient" form of Industrial level sized replication compared to the small Food Replicators or slightly larger Industrial Replicator pads we see in TNG.

When you're making something the size of a shuttle and don't want it to consume a butt ton of energy, it seems sensible to allow it to take a few minutes extra to save alot more power.

Voyager managed to increase replicator efficiency by 3x in the Void (season 7)... so, it stands to reason the principle could be applied to industrial grade replication upon VOY return to the AQ.

Replicating Vehicles isn't something that needs to be done very often compared to food, so speed isn't as necessary for large items like a shuttle.

That would be accurate, but the shuttle was replicated in a very short amount of time (90% in just over 2 minutes if that was real time).

ST:Prodigy is a kids show, it was designed for kids. It's partly sponsered by Nickelodeon which is a Kids Channel / Network.

That it is, but I (as a full adult) still enjoy it. It was also stated that Prodigy isn't JUST for kids.

I know, they look closer to JJ-verse Bussard Collectors, but the shape seems to match the standard Bussard Collectors sitting outside on the Warp Nacelle pylons.

I was merely stating that it doesn't make sense to place a bussard collector where the Warp cores are.
The Protostar isn't a big ship, but its certainly large enough to have the engineering with those 3 cores beneath the third central nacelle.

Also, Twitter mentioned that the third core is known as the 'Proto core'.
Its intended use might not be JUST for TransWarp.

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ST: Discovery spent an entire season with it's rear Shuttle Bay doors open and the Force Fields up.

I'm sure there are Force Fields ready to activate when you deploy the 3rd Nacelle.

I swear, this ship feels very Proto-type-ish.
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All very good points, but it still makes no sense to place a bussard collector in engineering between 2 Warp cores.
Following design choices of 24th century, engineering would have to be accessible for maintenance and repair without forcefields and not open up into space.

After all, shuttlebay and engineering aren't the same thing.

Plus, I'll back track again by mentioning that Twitter identified something as 'Proto core' in the premierre.

Considering how rare "Trans Warp" is in general (Voth & Borg are the only two species known to have "Trans Warp" level of speeds.) Obviously UFP has QSS (Quantum Slip Stream), but that's a variant of similar tech.

Agreed. Plus, gaining ACCESS to a derelict Borg ship might be difficult... let alone a Voth ship (which would be fully functional).

I'm actually going to be happy if the UFP is FINALLY going to have its own full blown Trans Warp drive. Its about freaking time.
Should have happened with the USS Excelsior really back in the 23rd century, but this will have to do.

One other thing I'd want to see is the Transwarp transporter. This 'elusive' technology (at least in the case of the Prime timeline) seems like the perfect bit to use on the Protostar (and dangerous in the hands of untrained kids... and possibly the Diviner).

I agree, it's dumb that he has a slave mining operation when he can just make Holographic or Robotic Drone work force.
There has to be another reason why he kidnaps alien children. I think the reason is that he wants to find a genetically compatible species to pair with his daughter for mating to keep his species alive.

The slavery bit was just a excuse to not send those children back once he found out they weren't genetically compatible.


I concur, but some people don't want to do things the more "Efficient & Moral" way of doing things.

Bad Guys going to be Bad.

Yeah.
One thing I remember of Dukat for example using slave labor to build Terrok Nor/DS9... he mentioned the Cardassian government was pushing him to complete the station on time and also use slave labor for ore processing.

I can understand the Cardassians using Bajorans as slave labor to subdue and break them... but even they probably aren't stupid to understand how using slave labor vs automation would be utterly idiotic decision if efficient and speedy construction and processing was their goal (and why Dukat was falling behind).
Then again, Dukat was full of excuses in justifying the occupation of Bajor, so he wouldn't necessarily be the most reliable source.

But it certainly seemed like it.

 

[Tuskin38]

Constitution-class nacelles on an NX-class ship. They're decades out of place.

I think it was just stylized. All the drawings were pretty crude almost like a child's interpretation, the Enterprise-D's hull look a bit more Ambassador than Galaxy.

That was also the NX-01, it said NX-01 under the art. The Intrepid Class had Voyager's Registry number, the Galaxy had 1701-D, the Connies were 1701. We can't read all of them, but just based on those examples all of them probably had the Registry numbers of the Hero ships of the previous TV series.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The thing with ordinary replicators in general is that they don't occupy that much space to begin with.
Industrial grade ones are basically the same thing with more programs in place and possibly greater pattern buffers too, so they can produce larger items in one go.

There's also the fact that the ordinary replicators are not much larger than the surface area of a typical refrigerator.

And it never hurts to have more redundant technology in case one unit fails. Especially if you need the Industrial Replicator to replicate new parts for a broken standard Replicator or a entire new standard Replicator unit in one go.

Or

A network of regular Replicators to replicate parts to fix the broken Industrial Replicator.

Redundancy is good when you're out in the middle of nowhere and need devices to help fix other devices.

Otherwise, I see no reason why ordinary replicators couldn't be 'networked' to work as one... this method could effectively boost the pattern buffer and operational capacity in the absence of an industrial grade replicator.

It could be, but that might not be it's primary duty and having backups is good IMO.

You don't want to be the StarShip with only 1 bathroom (I'm looking at you "Legends of Tomorrow" and it's WaveRider StarShip/TimeShip with only 1 bathroom aboard).

The ENT-D replicators certainly had the ability to produce complex elements... so ordinary vs industrial replication is probably in scale... not that ordinary ones cannot replicate things the industrials one can (unless they are intentionally restricted by programmers in functionality - but that's up to the programmers discretion, not a replicator limitation per say).

The size of the object replicated could be limited by the amount of space on the Replicator pad and how large it's emitters / scanners are along with the volume / area it has to work with.

But yeah, shuttlebays, cargobays, and larger spaces in general would probably be more than big enough to house industrial grade replicators (I wouldn't peg them to be larger than your run of the mill transporter pad, which fits into aforementioned areas).

Oh, they're going to be LARGER, much larger. You saw how large the circle pads of a Transporter Room are. They're about 18" - 24" in diameter and you can normally seat six on the larger Transporter Pad platform.

The Industrial size replicator isn't limited to that, it'll be limited to how far the robot arms can reach and how large of a room your Bay is, which is quite a bit larger.

Also, I'm not sure about using robotic arms for the purpose of presenting them as shuttlecraft replicator.
Mainly because it looks like a generic robotic 3d printer (which we had in real life for a few years)... not a replicator which converts energy into matter using transporter principles (though this one was illustrated in the mess hall).

The 3D Mechanical Arm was used along-side Replicators to fix the NX Enterprise in the epside "Dead Stop".

It's not a big deal, and it makes alot of logical sense IMO if you want to be efficient about replicating.

To me, it would seem eminently easier that a replicator capable of making a shuttle would have a transporter buffer which would be programmed with a shuttle pattern configuration then materialize it when sufficient energy is accumulated in one go as opposed to making small bits and pieces.
Or at least, they could have created something along the lines of a forcefield in the shape of a shuttle, then materializing the shuttle from the ground up in the same amount of time.

I dunno, it just seems more logical like that .

That might be way more energy intensive to do all that at one time vs assembling smaller parts together.

You yourself have stated that the UFP / StarFleet are all about efficiency, and if you have to go from "Seconds" to "Minutes" while saving more power to replicate a large item like a "Shuttle".

Then so be it.

Especially when you got to save on useable real estate in a small StarShip.

They're making multiple uses of their cargo bay / shuttle area.

Voyager managed to increase replicator efficiency by 3x in the Void (season 7)... so, it stands to reason the principle could be applied to industrial grade replication upon VOY return to the AQ.

I concur, the efficiency upgrades could've gone UFP wide.

That would be accurate, but the shuttle was replicated in a very short amount of time (90% in just over 2 minutes if that was real time).

That's faster than most modern Car Assembly Plants in the world.

That's "Good Enough" if you manage to save a butt ton of energy and don't need your Shuttle built in seconds.

That it is, but I (as a full adult) still enjoy it. It was also stated that Prodigy isn't JUST for kids.

It's primarily for kids, but adults can find it enjoyable.

How's that.

I was merely stating that it doesn't make sense to place a bussard collector where the Warp cores are.
The Protostar isn't a big ship, but its certainly large enough to have the engineering with those 3 cores beneath the third central nacelle.

You could be right, we don't have enough detailed information to make anything other than suppositions and guesses based on what we see.

Also, Twitter mentioned that the third core is known as the 'Proto core'.
Its intended use might not be JUST for TransWarp.

Cool, maybe it's a new Reactor type that we haven't heard about before!

All very good points, but it still makes no sense to place a bussard collector in engineering between 2 Warp cores.
Following design choices of 24th century, engineering would have to be accessible for maintenance and repair without forcefields and not open up into space.

After all, shuttlebay and engineering aren't the same thing.

Plus, I'll back track again by mentioning that Twitter identified something as 'Proto core' in the premierre.

I'm just basing everything on what I'm seeing and hearing. If it's the new "Proto-Core", cool beans.

Agreed. Plus, gaining ACCESS to a derelict Borg ship might be difficult... let alone a Voth ship (which would be fully functional).

I'm actually going to be happy if the UFP is FINALLY going to have its own full blown Trans Warp drive. Its about freaking time.
Should have happened with the USS Excelsior really back in the 23rd century, but this will have to do.

One other thing I'd want to see is the Transwarp transporter. This 'elusive' technology (at least in the case of the Prime timeline) seems like the perfect bit to use on the Protostar (and dangerous in the hands of untrained kids... and possibly the Diviner).

I just don't want anything to fall in the hands of "The Diviner" given that he's a child kidnapper and slaver.

He belongs in jail and trialled for crimes against Sentient & Sapient beings.

Yeah.
One thing I remember of Dukat for example using slave labor to build Terrok Nor/DS9... he mentioned the Cardassian government was pushing him to complete the station on time and also use slave labor for ore processing.

I can understand the Cardassians using Bajorans as slave labor to subdue and break them... but even they probably aren't stupid to understand how using slave labor vs automation would be utterly idiotic decision (and why Dukat was falling behind).
Then again, Dukat was full of excuses in justifying the occupation of Bajor, so he wouldn't necessarily be the most reliable source.

But it certainly seemed like it.

Let's be honest, Dukat and the Cardassians wanted the Bajorans for their women & resources.

You saw Dukat, he slept with every women he could get ahold of, even if they were Bajoran.

He's a very HORNY dude. Has no issues cheating on his wife with many kids that he has had.

I'm sure many of the Cardassian Soldiers were doing the same things with all the Bajoran women.

 

[thribs]

Even the escape pods are very JJ like.
Maybe those rumors are true with this being set initially in the JJVerse and then Changed later on

 

[Tuskin38]

Even the escape pods are very JJ like.

Not really? They were shaped like the Enterprise-E's.

 

[jackoverfull]

Not bad, a good continuation of the previous episodes with a lot of fan service.

And I mean, who hasn't dreamt of taking command of an abandoned StarFleet ship?
Not sure what game is the Janeway hologram playing but I don't buy for a minute she's this stupid: she knows well these are not "cadets".

An annoyance already of the last episode: when Vader -I mean the Diviner- speaks it's often hard to understand.

All in all enjoyable and not too cringeworthy, a 7.

 

[Brobdingnag]

The broken-ear kid is starting to get on my nerves. That aside It's a nice show. I just hope they'll subdue him a little.

 

[Tuskin38]

The broken-ear kid is starting to get on my nerves. That aside It's a nice show. I just hope they'll subdue him a little.

They've said his name enough and you haven't learned it?

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Brobdingnag]

They've said his name enough and you haven't learned it?

I am terrible with names.