The baby caitian in the miner's suit.. c'mon. Taunting your audience like this should be a crime.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x03 - "Starstruck"
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Large Gathering of Unmasked People doesn't agree! Large Gathering of Unmasked People likes how Jankom Pog talks!
Like I was saying...
They need to save Ms. Whiskers (that’s what I’m calling her) post haste!The baby caitian in the miner's suit.. c'mon. Taunting your audience like this should be a crime.
Thought that was kind of wonderful, to be honest. I had absolutely no expectations for this show going in, but I find the whole thing so endearing that I've ended up loving all of it so far. Plus it's fucking gorgeous. Has Star Trek ever looked this good, outside of the Kelvin films?
Really digging Mulgrew and Noble so far. Such distinct voices that are perfect for animation.
Really digging Mulgrew and Noble so far. Such distinct voices that are perfect for animation.
Better. The episode was basically a lesson in the language of Star Trek, but still well done. I found myself liking the return of Janeway.
However, I hate Dal with a searing passion. Aren't we done with these teenage boys who use bravado to mask their incompetence while taking credit for the accomplishments of others?
However, I hate Dal with a searing passion. Aren't we done with these teenage boys who use bravado to mask their incompetence while taking credit for the accomplishments of others?
dal really annoyed me so I'm gonna give this episode a 7 also they butchered that NX class lol
they better rescue her at the end of the seasonThe baby caitian in the miner's suit.. c'mon. Taunting your audience like this should be a crime.
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I ranked it 1 notch down from last week but still really enjoyed it.........They had to downshift and set some things up and only had 24 minutes to do it in.....so I get it. Still VERY pleased with the show so far........and soon we will be getting 2 episodes of Trek per week for the first time in YEARS!
I kinda get the impression Holo-Janeway knows exactly what’s going on, but she’s simply playing dumb to help the kids along. I might be misremembering, but didn’t she kind of smirk to herself after calling them cadets?
Second (third) episode was fine - though I'm not sure I enjoyed it as much as the pilot. Dal was much more irritating here, but it became clear he is being written as a flawed character (probably to show later growth). I enjoyed how everyone is shown as being more-or-less incompetent - four children shouldn't be able to run a ship - because it provides a good starting point for them to develop as a crew. While a life-and-death crisis for sure, this was sort of a "baby step" which allowed the crew to fumble their way through an easily solvable crisis and learn how to use the ship's systems. It also already has far more of a Trek vibe, with the central theme of the episode (everyone working together as a team to solve a common problem) one of the core Trek plots.
I'm still really not liking the cutbacks to the big bad (the Diviner) as he seems way too cliched of a villain so far. I know the Hageman brothers have hinted he's not what he seems, and I can't wait for the mask to come off.
I'm still really not liking the cutbacks to the big bad (the Diviner) as he seems way too cliched of a villain so far. I know the Hageman brothers have hinted he's not what he seems, and I can't wait for the mask to come off.
I think she's like a Maester or a genie. She's not allowed to wrest control from whoever is in command of the ship (probably as a safety measure against burgeoning evil sentient holograms).
...but she is actively listening to everything said onboard. And there are tons of incriminating info said to and by Dal on how they're lying, that they're fugitives, that Gwyn is a kidnapped teenage girl, that they're about to be hunted down by a bloodthirsty warlord. Janeway knows all of this, and is probably preparing a report for Starfleet.
In a show where everyone is manipulating everyone, Holo-Janeway reigns supreme. No way she thinks they "have potential" or whatever she said.
Definitely felt more Trek to me, as one might have expected would be the case when HoloJaneway entered the picture. It's actually rather clever: the protagonist kids--and through them the intended audience--are being indoctrinated out of the Star Wars aesthetic and into the Star Trek aesthetic.
They had better rescue the kitten!
It’s definitely a kid’s show, though so far it doesn’t seem to talk down to them. I think a not insignificant number of people in the Federation would agree with Dal’s take on authority. It sounds good but there are always people at the bottom.
I am curious about where this is located. There’s a Tellarite and a Caitian and a stranded Federation ship and apparently Klingon language is known, so they aren’t far from Federation space. Since Gwyn doesn’t seem to have a mother, I would be curious about how the Vau N' Akat reproduce. ‘Our Diviner’ could have done anything from cloning her to growing her in a tank using stored embryos to snatching her out of time. I doubt she’s the last of her kind if they intend to continue the race. The lines on her skin that turn silver could be a sign that her race absorbs power from a sun or some other sort of energy source to transform things.
I like Zero and the plummy tones of the actor doing the voice, though I seem to recall that Ambassador Kollos was male, so the Medusans actually do have gender. Miranda Jones suggested they are actually too beautiful to look upon, not too ugly, which is why the sight drives humanoids mad. So it’s probably more accurate to say Medusans are terrible and wonderful to look upon, like angels or gods, and strike people dumb with awe.
It’s definitely a kid’s show, though so far it doesn’t seem to talk down to them. I think a not insignificant number of people in the Federation would agree with Dal’s take on authority. It sounds good but there are always people at the bottom.
I am curious about where this is located. There’s a Tellarite and a Caitian and a stranded Federation ship and apparently Klingon language is known, so they aren’t far from Federation space. Since Gwyn doesn’t seem to have a mother, I would be curious about how the Vau N' Akat reproduce. ‘Our Diviner’ could have done anything from cloning her to growing her in a tank using stored embryos to snatching her out of time. I doubt she’s the last of her kind if they intend to continue the race. The lines on her skin that turn silver could be a sign that her race absorbs power from a sun or some other sort of energy source to transform things.
I like Zero and the plummy tones of the actor doing the voice, though I seem to recall that Ambassador Kollos was male, so the Medusans actually do have gender. Miranda Jones suggested they are actually too beautiful to look upon, not too ugly, which is why the sight drives humanoids mad. So it’s probably more accurate to say Medusans are terrible and wonderful to look upon, like angels or gods, and strike people dumb with awe.
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Don't mean to be rude, but says who exactly?
It should be more than possible to replicate a Warp core.
Replicating the casing etc would be perfectly doable, and probably even fusion reactors... replicators can also create almost all elements known to Federation science... suggesting that replicating antimatter for the Warp core and other fuel (if not synthesizing it directly from local space using Bussard collectors) should also be doable by this point considering what Voyager went through in regards to resource shortages and alternatives the crew was able to find to augment their own antimatter and fuel reserves... and replicator efficiency was tripled by season 7 to boot which would severely optimise energy use during the conversion process.
Its the 24th century for crying out loud and warp cores have been in existence for over 200 years by this point. It should be more than doable to replicate a small core to power a shuttle.
Also, a shuttle doesn't have to have a warp core... it can be powered by fusion for impulse engines and thrusters mostly.
Actually, Janeway wasnt' misleading the cadets and her statement was pretty accurate when you think about it.
If you recall, both Vulcans and Andorians may have 'known' of each other, but they had a fundamental distrust between them which resulted in making huge amount of assumptions.
In fact, before Humanity came onto the scene, both species were more than willing to engage in espionage and tactical missions against each other... that's basically lack of information (not knowing each other) festered by fear and lack of willingness to freely share information (which is essentially the problem we have today that's bolstered by misguided stupidity known as 'competition' that's making things worse).
To me, this suggests that the founding members were indeed unfamiliar with each other... but Humanity tried to push past that like they did on Earth once WW3 was over and created a new type of society.
It wasn't until the UFP was founded that the founding member species actually got the chance to PROPERLY get to know each other fully (to immerse themselves in each other cultures, share technology, science and resources) - and even at the start, the process would have taken time.
Yup... I got the same sense when she smirked and said they were cadets... effectively giving the kids the answer to her own question.
Besides, she's a hologram and has access to the Protostar logs and sensor records (as was demonstrated in this episode)... so I'm actually thinking she would know a great deal of what happened to the Protostar.
Also, remember that Federation ships have internal sensors... which likely means crew's activities and conversations are recorded at all times.
This isn't misused in UFP though... but they are there for the sake of security to utilize if the need arises to help solve problems... and this ability is entrusted to individuals knowing that they wouldn't abuse it (that's one of the reasons SF emphasises truth, openness, etc.).
This would also imply that from the moment Rok-Tok touched the commbadge which woke up the ship, internal and external sensors would have been activated (or at least gone to much more active status considering the shutlebay doors DID open partly when Del touched it) and Janeway would know (once her help was requested from sensor records of their conversations) these kids fled a mining prison and a lifetime of oppression... so Its possible she's cutting them some slack and feigning she doesn't know anyhting to create an environment where they (Del especially) would open up to her on their own (its definitely not a bad approach).
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Also, I have a few thoughts on this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wY3r0ZzBURPijmEX5c2L8LeqBCuF_oW7/view?usp=sharing
Possible explanations:
1. Quantum Slipstream Drive Core/Quantum Matrix (certainly has the color right)
2. Temporal core
3. Omega molecule core (it also has the color for it )
4. Transwarp drive core
5. Coaxial Warp core
6. Tetryon reactor (courtesy of Caretaker and Tash's catapult) or Thermionic generator (from species 8472)... or a hybrid of both.
Thoughts?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wY3r0ZzBURPijmEX5c2L8LeqBCuF_oW7/view?usp=sharing
Possible explanations:
1. Quantum Slipstream Drive Core/Quantum Matrix (certainly has the color right)
2. Temporal core
3. Omega molecule core (it also has the color for it )
4. Transwarp drive core
5. Coaxial Warp core
6. Tetryon reactor (courtesy of Caretaker and Tash's catapult) or Thermionic generator (from species 8472)... or a hybrid of both.
Thoughts?
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Another solid 9. And no, Pog doesn't bother me with his speech pattern.
Also: loved we saw two TOS-style Constitution-class starship holograms in Holographic Janeway's history presentation!
Also: loved we saw two TOS-style Constitution-class starship holograms in Holographic Janeway's history presentation!
Episode was quite good.
Didn't notice it was a Klingon curse though. Good catch.
Except for the fact the crew likely just salvaged shuttles which were damaged and repaired them which should be pretty simple with or without replicators in the 24th century, or just built new ones like they did with the Delta Flyer using damaged shuttles (aka, breaking them down into base elements and reconstituting them into materials for new shuttles).
The crew also harvested various raw materials from different star systems and traded for supplies (which likely included antimatter - and they could have found new sources of Omicron particles that would have augmented their antimatter reserves and provide them with means to make more Torpedoes as well).
So, all of those things are easily explainable when you factor in what kind of technology UFP actually had at its disposal.
Back to the old phaser sound!
I was hoping they would do that. And did you notice that a single phaser beam blasted through space debris that was much larger and denser than the Protostar itself in seconds?
Its ok with me still. I don't mind it. Part of his personality. He's supposed to be a teen. Maybe its a Tellarite trait that he'll grow out of... or it could be just lack of decent education (which is something these kids wouldn't have access to in that mining prison).
I already addressed Janeway's lack of noticing certain 'details' to the premise that she probably does know very well these kids aren't actual cadets.
She's a hologram and has access to the Protostar internal and external sensors. The ship was activated by Rok Tok and since then, the internal sensors likely recorded the kids talking to each other about their circumstances which she would have access to.
Also, her smirk when she said 'cadets' (answering her own question) was likely Janeway giving the kids a break.
But if Janeway isn't really that 'aware'... we can attribute this issue down to the fact she's a hologram who probably wasn't active for very long (and as such didn't have a chance to adapt like the Doctor has).
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