Couldn’t you then attack the other side of the planet in that case?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"
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Anyway, I really liked it. As I said last week...was it the tightest story ever told in the franchise? Nope, but then again, TUC, TVH and TWOK are riddled with inconsistencies and plot holes. Does it make complete sense when held up under a microscope? Not at all, but then again, neither do "Best of Both Words 1 and 2" and "Yesterday's Enterprise." Was it completely over-the-top and insane? Yep...just like "Mirror, Mirror," and William Windom's brilliant performance in "Doomsday Machine." Did it rely heavily on nostalgia and fanfeelings? Yep, just like the better episodes of LD and some of the best novels in the litverse.
But, was it shamelessly and wildly entertaining? Yes, it absolutely was. Much like the bulk of Star Trek's best works.
9/10
Easily the best season of Star Trek in 20 years. Most of my ratings were 8 and 9. First two episodes I thought were slow and I gave them 7's. There was maybe one 10 in there. On average, it probably hits an 8.5 as a season...which is insanely good.
I'm excited about the potential for a series with Jack and 7...but I feel they missed a MASSIVE opportunity to have Captain Shaw be in that mix. His chemistry with 7 of 9 was fire. I wonder if they might find a way to keep him involved, maybe as a regular "flashback" guest star, as 7 ponders some of the best and worst advice Shaw provided while he was her CO.
But, was it shamelessly and wildly entertaining? Yes, it absolutely was. Much like the bulk of Star Trek's best works.
9/10
Easily the best season of Star Trek in 20 years. Most of my ratings were 8 and 9. First two episodes I thought were slow and I gave them 7's. There was maybe one 10 in there. On average, it probably hits an 8.5 as a season...which is insanely good.
I'm excited about the potential for a series with Jack and 7...but I feel they missed a MASSIVE opportunity to have Captain Shaw be in that mix. His chemistry with 7 of 9 was fire. I wonder if they might find a way to keep him involved, maybe as a regular "flashback" guest star, as 7 ponders some of the best and worst advice Shaw provided while he was her CO.
Someone needs to corner Matalas and asked him if that is he had a choice, if he would have had Season 3 be "Star Trek: The Last Generation" miniseries, rather than Picard Season 3. Because I think the answer is quite clear. It pulls on some important plot threads from Season 1 and 2, but also some big ones from DS9 (finally Dominion War aftermath + consequences), pulls in some "let's put a spin on All Good Things stuff we havent touched yet" and in the end, lead to a two parter that formed a trilogy with First Contact and Best of Both Worlds... and on top of that owed its entire existence to Endgame and maybe a little to Dark Frontier.
So in the final analysis, Picard Season 1 and Season 2 were an important, but only partial influence on the show, and arguably less than everything else. I'm going to guess from prior precedent that marketing + contractual complexities kept it as Picard Season 3, but it is impossible to see it as anything other than its own thing.
As for Undiscovered Country, that movie had peculiar parts of it even though its my favorite TOS Trek movie / adventure. The crew wasn't that old. Mostly 10 years younger than the TNG crew is now. Paramount really wasn't great to that cast in the films compared to the TNG cast. It serves a great purpose in "Bermanizing" the late TOS era and makes the transition to the TNG era natural. But very clearly, the intent was to get the TOS crew off the stage so the TNG crew could get on it. It's rather cold blooded. I think they could have had more adventures in a different world. That's why I'm saying I hope Paramount+ restarts the roman numeraled Star Trek movie sequence, starting at 'XI' (IMO a feature length cut of Vox + The Last Generation). Let the Kelvinverse films or whatever do their random thing in theaters and continue feature length film making on streaming.
That said, Undiscovered Country's story was only possible because of the end of the Cold War and Chernobyl not terribly long before, and for that it gets allowances for doing its thing IMO.
It's not.
Not for me. I love reviewing bad shows.
So instead of what amounted to a 10 episode origin story of the "Enterprise-G", you rather some reveal of a random new ship, we know nothing about, never seen do anything, and never stepped foot on, in 10 seconds, in the closing episode. That is "better" to you?
Really?
For my part, I thought Seven would become Captain of the Titan and Riker would return to Starfleet as a commanding Captain again, and get the Enterprise-G or a reactivated (upgraded) Enterprise-D (with a third nacelle... Galaxy-X style since Matalas teased we'd see "-X", which didn;t happen). But the final arrangement makes much more sense. Because now n ot only is Picard Season 3 the origin story of the next Starship Enterprise, but every Seven of Nine adventure is the origin story of its Captain, and Raffi's Season 1-3 story is the origin story of its first officer.
This is much richer than just some throw away like the end of Star Trek Beyond where we see the Kevlinverse Enterprise A for 10 seconds, or the end of Voyage Home where we see the Enterprise A and a bridge we would never see again (because the set was wrecked in a storm).
No show or movie ever said that.
I think maybe he was confusing the fact that in 24th Century Earth there's no need for civilians to have phasers?
I seem to recall that in Homefront, but I may be misremembering
Proper Trekkies, some might declare. I myself seem not to be one, failing the purity test by being accepting of... change! gasp
It's unclear if Trek is spared. It's too soon to tell.
Right now we technically have 3 live action shows - Picard, SNW and Discovery. Once Discovery airs next year, it'll go down to 2 - SNW and Starfleet Academy. The question is then is if Section 31 and the new films exist as a "third leg" of streaming Trek, or if it exists where a third streaming show did. That'll decide if Legacy gets made or not. Even before the belt tightening, they made clear they wouldn't make a 4th live action show simultaneous to the others (when Section 31 was going to be that show). We'll see if they are resourced still for 3. Star Trek seemingly does well for Paramount+ and is one of the big things they have, so its good for it Problem is, reruns of old shows still dominate viewership on every streaming platform. I can't believe people still watch fucking Friends and Seinfeld.
With regards to bottle shows, I think that was to the show's immense credit this season. While beaming down to a planet or something once or twice more would have been nice, after two seasons of 2399/2400 Trek looking little like Trek, it's not be submerged in it. Who knows when we'll get another chance. Particularly in Season 1, what 2399 looked like vs 2379 seemed very, very rushed and low budget compared to Discovery. They even reused the Discovery shuttles.And that awful uniform. And the weird ass non-LCARS. And then of course the infamous Inquiry class ship, the Borg redesign, and the weird Cube The details were just all off. It hard corrected it in Season 2, but much of that show was shot on location (I suspect, so they could build sets for Season 3, which was shot right after).
I think Star Trek is trying too hard to go toe to toe with streaming Star Wars in visual quality. Discovery was lavish last season. But these lavish shows are causing fewer episodes to be funded. I think all these shows could do more or less "evolved Voyager" or Enterprise standards, and be perfect, and put out 18 episode seasons. Because with the road we're walking down, Season 4 of SNW will have 8 episodes and Season 5 will have 6. It's going to follow the Doctor Who 13th Doctor cycle.
Haven't been able to rewatch the episode yet but having trawled through the thread, some observations:
I like it. 
When I think about it, it didn't ring quite true to me, either. I didn't expect them to hug or anything out of character like that but it didn't seem quite right.
It didn't bother me at all when I watched the episode but the more I think about it the less it impresses me. It's not a deal breaker or anything but it doesn't sit quite right, either.
Yeah, it sorta strikes me that way, too. Not that I object to Tuvok / Russ in the slightest. Given Russ's history with Trek it was great to see him again, however briefly.
Agreed. With the exception of a handful of episodes Q just doesn't interest me in the slightest. Colossal arrogance just doesn't do it for me. I get that time isn't linear for the Q and all that so he's still dead, but he was Picard's resident pain in the arse. Why inflict him on Jack as well?
Eh, I must have watched different episodes or something. Never seemed that way to me at all.
Yep. Always did. Still does. Always will.
Agreed. As I mentioned in my earlier post the only other group for which this level of nostalgia would work for me is the Voyager cast (one...individual excepted). But it was this cast, these characters, and it absolutely worked for me on that basis. The mileage of others varies and that's perfectly okay.
I like it. It would have been great to have both Janeway and Picard confront the queen one last time, given Future Janeway set these events in motion. Oh, well. I'm okay with what we got.
Apparently (according to some) Picard is the single most arrogant individual in the entirety of Trek. Like father, like son? Or Jack being a twentysomething with all the lack of experience / maturity that comes with being that age. Not a huge deal, for mine.
Whyever not?
Unfortunately we're in an age where these things seem to have gone by the board. Too many people seem to only deal in absolutes any more. IMO it's...not a good thing.
I do. Although some of the red paint they got was deserved.
I liked how Picard undid some of their worst decisions.
Huh?
This was amazing. I've never experienced anything that surpassed my expectations as much as this show did. It seems to be very difficult for people to successfully revive classic 80s and 90s films and tv shows in reboots and modern continuations of old stories. I'm glad TNG was one of the few that managed it with season 3 and I would happily watch Star Trek: Legacy.
Tim Russ played Tuvok in both of his appearances in this season.
Edit: oh do you mean the german dub?
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Kilana's location says Germany, maybe they meant the German dub actor.
No it won’t. That’s just Matalas thanking Goldsman for stepping up in the latter half of Season 2 to free up Matalas to concentrate on Season 3. Nothing about Goldsman needing continuity “help”. IIRC, Matalas is the one who brought in the time travel angle. Perhaps as a callback to STVI. Goldsman has said the Picard’s mother plot was his.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think production ground to a halt when Matalas stepped away to focus on Season 3 and then Goldsman stepped in. Major story beats for the entire season were probably work out by then. Goldsman probably worked with the writers to flesh them out.
Trek has two built in safeguards against ever being caught up (1) WWIII plunged humanity into a dark age and (2) for all we know Starfleet tech is completely renewable and runs on batteries made of a few grains of sand. A PADD might *look* less advanced than an iPad or colour kindle, but it came out of a replicator that isn’t, basically. Smart phones still aren’t even as advanced as Trek communicator, we just think they are because we don’t think about cell towers and Wi-Fi access points everywhere. A communicator can work without those. Once those two things click in a persons head, it’s easy to stop being cynical about Trek.
I argued for *ages* about the period piece and why that works. Around about the same time I was arguing why the TNG crew and era are as important, if not more so, than the TOS crew in terms of why the show keeps circling TOS at that time.
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