The show is over. You can't take anything from it. That's bass ackwards.
As poor reasons for watching a show this is definitely one of the poorest.
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Except everyone with your position here is acting like Picard season 3 was nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia. That this was just a regurgitation of TNG.
You people give SNW credit for variations and nuances that you deny Picard, where this season shows these characters as different people that have changed in the 20 years since we’ve seen them, and in different places in their lives.
This was not just plopping them down in the Enterprise and saying “isn’t this cool?” Mileage may vary but every bit of nostalgia, for me, was earned through the character arcs.
There was a more explicit tweet about it a few weeks ago but this will do:
https://twitter.com/terrymatalas/status/1511765640197017601?s=21
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/star-trek-picard-terry-matalas-interview
Matalas did the continuity heavy 25th century and Confederation of Earth stuff, Akiva Goldsman did the "grounded" 21st century earth stuff and the stuff that focused on Picard's mother and that stuff.
I am pro-Picard season 3 fwiw..look at my comment history lol
Well, no. My thing about the nostalgia is that it was literally building to that moment on the bridge. That's what I take away from Picard. There were some excellent character moments that I think are very well done. There is nuance to the characters when they are not focusing on their past. When they are focusing on their future, what they can accomplish together. But, once they get to the bridge it's back to the fast. That's were the nuance ends, for the most part.
I'm not saying it's a regurgitation of TNG; I'm saying that it leaned so heavily on those roles being so important that the nostalgia overshadowed what I thought were great character moments. It felt like nostalgia dominated the screen. And that's...not for me. I'm not nostalgic for TNG; in fact it's among my lesser Treks on my list. I don't have the feels and people insisting I must feel for it is bothering me, a lot.
I asked Matalas about using deepfakes between Seasons 1 and 2. There are major rights issues to it. An actor licensing their likeness for use in CG has clear legal and contractual precedent but using deepfakes, which is based on prior performances, runs the question of if the use of it is a new or old performance, and from that, how much the actor gets paid. And remember: except if you're a big name, Hollywood loathes paying actors.
Everyone's seen the Youtube deepfakes of Rogue One and Picard Season 1 do better than the CGI, and Matalas recognized that, but ascribed their disuse firmly to the legal swamp the technology exists in. It's the same thing by the way, with Majel Barret Roddenberry's voice for the computer. I asked him again on twitter at the start of Season 2. His answer? Money to do it + rights issues.
So, first off, I don't think there's anything wrong with PIC S3 being grounded in nostalgia to a deeper level than SNW is, per se.
I do get frustrated because PIC S1 was, IMO, amongst other things, a bit of a deconstruction of nostalgia -- part of Picard's journey in S1 is to learn to stop living in his past, to stop longing for a part of his life that can never return. So when S3 is basically a narrative constructed around being preoccupied with the past, it's a bit incongruous for it to come in context with S1. I think S3's nostalgia mindset would have worked better if it had been a standalone story rather than one that comes after S1. The two seasons seem to contradict each other thematically.
Now, I do think that S3 goes just a tad too far into the nostalgia direction. I'm reminded again of The Undiscovered Country, which balances the desire for nostalgia with a recognition that you can't live in nostalgia and must let go of the longing for a time that can never return. I think I would have preferred to see a bit more of that notion in S3. But that doesn't make S3 bad, either.
Good. May it forever be bound in the legal morass of red tape and not unleashed in the manipulative form it could be used as.
If only that were so. That particular demon is already running wild.
That is true. I could not name a single bridge officer left from DSC once she left...
The principal cast of Star Trek: Discovery are not the bridge officers, so I don't know what that proves.
I know. And I loathe it so much. Some days my inner luddite is manageable but on this tech it is not.
So?
But for me the realization that they were and are a family was the point of the season, and arguably the series in total.
We begin Picard season 1 with the character alone and alienated on his vineyard, and in the end he’s surrounded by the people that he realizes were always the most important in his life and that he had become distant from.
That’s crystallized once they’re on the bridge and they realize that they ride or die together.
That may have been a pre-Dominion War policy. However, after the Breen attacked earth, I think the realization is that sometimes the Fleet just wont be there.
Terry Matalas confirms on Twitter that the title "the last generation" is a reference to the young assimilated people as the last generation of (non-Jurati) Borg.
I dunno, I do kind of wish Paramount were willing to pay whatever rates would be necessary to use deepfake tech to make Data in PIC S1 look like he did circa First Contact. It would enhance the thematic content of PIC S1, since we would see this visibly aged Picard next to a Data who has visibly stood still in time.
Honestly I think it makes more sense to have a fully-armed starbase in orbit of every Federation Member State's capital planet than to rely on ships that may or may not be there.
Yep he did. And I think he got it from something Doug Drexler said on Trek Yards years ago, which I got from him. I think this idea that "Trek is a period piece about the future" thing has been kicking around production land for a while.
Here's the quote. AMAZING interview.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/designing-star-trek-with-picards-david-blass
One point I kind of disagree though: tricorders. Who cares if smartphones lap them. For all we know, smart phones as we use them now could be a fad and they could go away in 30 or 40 years in their present form. Tricorders are part of Trek's storytelling language. They don't have to make sense. Star Trek is a Fantasy show that is a few steps-closer to sci-fi than Star Wars, but as the years bore on, the sci-fi label clearly became a farce. It's fantasy and things don't have to be explained. Starfleet institutionally never made any sense either and we just accept it.
Heck the Altimid dismantling of the Kevlinverse Enterprise was probably the most honest space combat Trek's ever had, and folks hate the Kelvinverse.But I think we all prefer the 24th century way of space combat because it's "Star Trek". It doesn't have to make sense.
No. An actress in prosthetics with Krige doing a voice dub (that over did it with the monstrous resampling IMO... only faint parts of the Queen's voice were still there).
It would have been great if the bridge hadn't dominated that realization.
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