Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Yistaan]

Per Beverly’s line of thinking, Jack was only going to be in danger if someone found out he was JLP’s son. Since only he and his mom knew, I would think he could show his face anywhere because no one knows who he is and it’s been so long with zero contact, no one would suspect such a thing.

Unless it’s acceptable to go around using your medical tricorder to scan strangers’ DNA in the 24th century, then he’s got a problem.

That's why I'm positive that Beverly was lying and she was no longer attracted to Picard and was creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.

The smoking gun so to speak is Beverly ended up putting her son in danger on the most lawless areas of space for her self-important frontier medicine gimmick, to the point Jack needed to turn to crime to survive (and per the math he just turned 21). She can't have been that concerned about his safety, she doesn't even seem to care about his seeming lack of post-high school education.

For what it's worth, real life Chinese director Zhang Yimou hid at least 2 children for some years to hide the fact he'd violated China's one child policy not that long ago. So Beverly totally could've gotten together with Jean-Luc and hidden their son's heritage if she wanted to.

The bottom line is, she didn't want to, because she doesn't want anything to do with Jean-Luc for reasons beyond her exaggerated claims of the danger around Picard (which she purposely exaggerated to make herself look heroic). The real reason is all but stated between the lines when Picard mentioned she refused to communicate with him further, the implication being if he persisted she'd be filing restraining orders, etc. In real life, that type of action is reserved for stalkers who won't accept no means no, and for Crusher to put Jean-Luc in that position where she could realistically accuse him of that speaks volumes about what she really thinks about him. She likely grit her teeth and put on a show to even work with him this past episode on the Titan only because lives were at stake.

 

[Gepard]

20 years have passed since the events of DS9. Boungelliki bucket technology has obviously been refined over the decades. I wonder what the silver strips are for, they obviously serve a function? Perhaps the buckets were adapted for some reason yet to be explained on screen? These silver strips look to be some form of field emitters or matter pattern enhancers? Perhaps regenerating Changelings now need some form of ‘enhanced support’ whilst in their liquid state which these Boungelliki augmentations facilitate.

The similarities between buckets are still quite profound.
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Perhaps Bajoran bucket design was augmented and enhanced with Boungelliki technology? This would explain the discrepancies?

Personally, I explain the design change in my head canon in the same way that the Enterprise NCC 1701 has different looks throughout the various iterations of Trek, such as in Pike and JJ land as compared to TOS.

It *can’t* possibly actually be Odo’s bucket though, can it? If it was, as I have mentioned earlier, it would mean that he has been killed off after going rogue.

Odo should return in a future episode to help clarify? This has quite literally turned in to a whole bucket of worms, hasn’t it.

Is it possible that this is also a Boungelliki bucket from the 2360’s?
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The Conspiracy parasites may have actually been eating Changelings?

Your posts are wild, man.

 

[Nerys Myk]

at's why I'm positive that Beverly was lying and she was no longer attracted to Picard and was creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.

Some Olympic level contortions there.

The smoking gun so to speak is Beverly ended up putting her son in danger on the most lawless areas of space for her self-important frontier medicine gimmick, to the point Jack needed to turn to crime to survive (and per the math he just turned 21). She can't have been that concerned about his safety, she doesn't even seem to care about his seeming lack of post-high school education.

Who say's he only has a high school education? Most people attend college from age 17 to 21. We know Jack attend school on Earth in London. Why can't it be at the University level? We know he was on Earth five years ago.

 

[Lt Mo]

FWIW she just said Jack “went to school” in London, for all we know it was nursery school, not university. It would actually make more sense to develop an accent at a young age although I doubt that’s what they were going for.

 

[Nerys Myk]

FWIW she just said Jack “went to school” in London, for all we know it was nursery school, not university. It would actually make more sense to develop an accent at a young age although I doubt that’s what they were going for.

Depends.. Linda McCartney developed a sort of English accent after living there. I probably would too, but that's my nature.

 

[fireproof78]

Depends.. Linda McCartney developed a sort of English accent after living there. I probably would too, but that's my nature.

One of my good friends developed an Australian accent after working there two years post high school.

 

[cooleddie74]

Terry Gilliam was a grown adult who was an American expatriate in the UK and his accent has had a distinctive English flavoring for decades now.

 

[Skywalker]

She probably had him living in London and going to school as a child while she was doing her Space Doctors Without Space Borders thing. Given his age and his criminal record, I doubt he took the time to go to university and instead went off with Beverly to help her once he was old enough.

 

[Yistaan]

FWIW she just said Jack “went to school” in London, for all we know it was nursery school, not university. It would actually make more sense to develop an accent at a young age although I doubt that’s what they were going for.

Jack basically just turned 21 assuming he was conceived immediately after Nemesis, and even that's assuming Nemesis took place at the beginning of 2379. We know he'd been on board the Eleos for months if not years now, long enough to have at least 3 separate identities. If he had a university education he'd have to have had accelerated education and be a genius like Kelvin Chekov.

 

[fireproof78]

Or Wesley.

 

[Tuskin38]

One of my good friends developed an Australian accent after working there two years post high school.

A twitch streamer I watch grew up in Australia but moved to America for work and basically lost his accent. It still comes out sometimes when saying certain words though.

 

[cooleddie74]

Malcolm McDowell has said for years now that since he's spent so much time living in the U.S. he's lost a lot of his English accent, though to me he clearly sounds British.

 

[Yistaan]

Malcolm McDowell has said for years now that since he's spent so much time living in the U.S. he's lost a lot of his English accent, though to me he clearly sounds British.

Soran: Fellow Brit, what's this American chap doing here?
Picard: I don't rightly know my dear fellow.
Kirk: I'm Canadian!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Jack basically just turned 21 assuming he was conceived immediately after Nemesis, and even that's assuming Nemesis took place at the beginning of 2379. We know he'd been on board the Eleos for months if not years now, long enough to have at least 3 separate identities. If he had a university education he'd have to have had accelerated education and be a genius like Kelvin Chekov.

The people in charge are saying he 23/24, both BTS and on screen. Your pet theory, supported as it might be by past information, isn't valid. Jack's a smart guy, maybe on the same level as his brother. He may have started and graduated University early. Perhaps earning an advanced degree and still have time for a post-University criminal career.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Kanar bottles

And the life support alarm is from the Nostromo!

That was so beautiful

Nice FC hommage

And a T2 vision...?

Upside Down?

 

[Gilora]

We got rid of one changeling. Let’s just assume they never work in pairs ok.

I'm going by the dialogue. No more, no less and not making assumptions. But it's okay if you do, since you already did.

 

[fireproof78]

Upside Down?

I think I like living upside down...

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[Mike Doyle]

I'm going by the dialogue. No more, no less and not making assumptions. But it's okay if you do, since you already did.

My point is exactly that. Nowhere in the dialogue do they say there couldn’t be a second.

 

[jaime]

They’re all Changelings…
On a doomed ship…

 

[Mr J]

I watched this on Paramount+ UK with subtitles on..

Spoiler: Spoiler about subtitle reveal

it named the voice in Jack’s dream at the end as “Borg Queen”?!