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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x13 - "Coming Home"

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Uh, no. Abrams is a widely known political figure. I don't know of any name recognition polls about her, but i would think it would be 50-60% in the US.
No? Looking it up, she doesn't even hold a political office anymore. And when she did it was just a seat in the Georgia House of Representatives. She's pretty much as minor of a political figure as you can get.
 
No? Looking it up, she doesn't even hold a political office anymore. And when she did it was just a seat in the Georgia House of Representatives. She's pretty much as minor of a political figure as you can get.

This is false. @Ometiklan already pointed out that she has 40% name recognition in the U.S. Her race for Georgia Governor, and her subsequent leadership in mobilizing the black vote and fighting against racist voter suppression laws, have given her significant influence and fame. She is far from "as minor of a political figure as you can get."
 
No? Looking it up, she doesn't even hold a political office anymore. And when she did it was just a seat in the Georgia House of Representatives. She's pretty much as minor of a political figure as you can get.
They already answered their own question:
Ah, found a poll number, apparently in 2020 when her name was being discussed as a potential VP candidate, her name recognition was 40%.

https://www.businessinsider.com/stacey-abrams-biggest-2020-endorsement-insider-poll-2019-3
 
As I said, by featuring a politician in a celebratory role who famously stands for multi-racial democracy and progressive politics, the show is itself linking her politics with its narrative. This is how subtext works
I would just prefer the show did it with plot rather than cameos.
I don't think a cameo is covering a narrative
 
No? Looking it up, she doesn't even hold a political office anymore. And when she did it was just a seat in the Georgia House of Representatives. She's pretty much as minor of a political figure as you can get.

Yet she's still in the public eye and got to be on Trek. When the Mayor of Pipsqueak, Minnesota does the same let us know.
 
No? Looking it up, she doesn't even hold a political office anymore. And when she did it was just a seat in the Georgia House of Representatives. She's pretty much as minor of a political figure as you can get.
But she's divisive. She rallied to defund the police. Just let robbers and killers go free.
Second, her appearance was bad enough, but the giddy love fest on THE READY ROOM from Wheaton and Paradise was ridiculous.
 
I would just prefer the show did it with plot rather than cameos.

I mean, I could go on about the ways in which Star Trek: Discovery's overt text already embodies progressive values, but that's not really what this is about. What this is about is, there was subtext you didn't recognize and you want to paint it as bad writing. Which it is not. You just didn't pick up on subtext and don't like the idea that important meanings to a text are not always overtly pointed to by the text.

I would highly advise you to take an English class to learn how to get better at recognizing subtext.

I don't think a cameo is covering a narrative
I have no idea what "covering" here means, but subtext is subtext. Layers of meaning can be added by things like a cameo. Tom Baker's cameo at the end of "The Day of the Doctor" adds a lot more meaning to the episode if you know him and his history than if you don't.
 
But she's divisive.

So what? We should be divided from people with harmful values. When TOS advocated for racial equality, that was divisive. When DS9 featured a same-sex love story, that was divisive. "Divisiveness" is not a bad thing.

She rallied to defund the police.

This is absolutely false. I wish she supported the movement to defund American police departments, but she does not.

Second, her appearance was bad enough, but the giddy love fest on THE READY ROOM from Wheaton and Paradise was ridiculous.

Perhaps the values for which Star Trek: Discovery advocates are fundamentally incompatible with your values and you should consider watching a different show and joining a different fandom.
 
But she's divisive. She rallied to defund the police. Just let robbers and killers go free.
Second, her appearance was bad enough, but the giddy love fest on THE READY ROOM from Wheaton and Paradise was ridiculous.
Don't think it matters if she is divisive or not. I remember reading about her during the election and thought she was a legend but I still don't want these types of cameo.
 
I would highly advise you to take an English class to learn how to get better at recognizing subtext.
Absolutely no need to be so insulting
What this is about is, there was subtext you didn't recognize and you want to paint it as bad writing.
As I said it's not just about this one scene. If I think there is bad writing then I think there is bad writing. You don't have to think the same.
 
Just to use the example we are talking about. TNG or one of the older shows would have given you a well crafted episode about voter suppression. Disco just throws a face at you.

That's the difference between good and bad writers

DS9 is the only series that could have maybe done nuanced episode on voter supression. You're kidding yourself if you the think that TOS which had a sledgehammer race relations episode, TNG which had a hamfisted Lgbti episode that basically supported conversion therapy and voyager which had to resort to breasts and guest appearances by the rock and Jason Alexander would have been able to provide a well crafted story about voting rights
 
DS9 is the only series that could have maybe done nuanced episode on voter supression. You're kidding yourself if you the think that TOS which had a sledgehammer race relations episode, TNG which had a hamfisted Lgbti episode that basically supported conversion therapy and voyager which had to resort to breasts and guest appearances by the rock and Jason Alexander would have been able to provide a well crafted story about voting rights
Dang. That's harsh.

I can't argue against it but wow.
 
DS9 is the only series that could have maybe done nuanced episode on voter supression. You're kidding yourself if you the think that TOS which had a sledgehammer race relations episode, TNG which had a hamfisted Lgbti episode that basically supported conversion therapy and voyager which had to resort to breasts and guest appearances by the rock and Jason Alexander would have been able to provide a well crafted story about voting rights
I would disagree with you there except for Voyager which I always thought was very light on the politics.
 
I would disagree with you there except for Voyager which I always thought was very light on the politics.

VOY literally had an episode where Seven of Nine accuses a dude of doing a sci-fi version of raping her and the guy kills himself before they realize her memory was false. The entire thesis of the episode was that you should err on the side of being men didn't rape women first. Bryan Fuller has talked about how one of the producers on that episode even talked in the writers' room about how he got angry at women who said that you should err on the side of believing women. VOY was not light on the politics -- its politics was just more regressive.
 
VOY literally had an episode where Seven of Nine accuses a dude of doing a sci-fi version of raping her and the guy kills himself before they realize her memory was false. The entire thesis of the episode was that you should err on the side of being men didn't rape women first. Bryan Fuller has talked about how one of the producers on that episode even talked in the writers' room about how he got angry at women who said that you should err on the side of believing women. VOY was not light on the politics -- its politics was just more regressive.
Ill take your word for it. There is plenty about Voyager I don't remember like that episode for instance. I was never much of a Voyager fan.
 
I honestly kinda wonder if they blew it up because they need to rework the set as something for SNW.

The shows don't film at the same studio space. They're like 20 minutes away IIRC. Which would probably be fine in a pre-Covid era.

Though they could drive the set pieces to where SNW is filming, but I find that unlikely.
 
VOY literally had an episode where Seven of Nine accuses a dude of doing a sci-fi version of raping her and the guy kills himself before they realize her memory was false. The entire thesis of the episode was that you should err on the side of being men didn't rape women first. Bryan Fuller has talked about how one of the producers on that episode even talked in the writers' room about how he got angry at women who said that you should err on the side of believing women. VOY was not light on the politics -- its politics was just more regressive.
Except that episode wasn't really about believing men or women, it was about following the evidence and doing investigative due diligence before making public accusations.
 
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