Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x05 - "The Examples"

[Unimatrix Q]

What about 'Garfield'?

 

[cooleddie74]

He hated Mondays. Unless he was on the Enterprise-B then he hated Tuesdays.

 

[Sci]

If she believes in a restorative/rehabilitative justice model over a punitive justice model, she may well feel sympathetic to rapists or child molesters, particularly if they have received effective treatment, taken responsibility for their choices, and are making a genuine effort to change and atone for their crimes. Remember, in TOS "Dagger of the Mind," we learned that the Federation has embraced a rehabilitative model for its prisoners -- treating them as patients who need intensive mental and physical health care, rejecting cages in favor of "decent, clean hospitals for sick minds."

General follow-up:

I don't think it's exactly clear if the Federation and its member worlds as of the 32nd Century still possess the wealth and infrastructure to enable this, but I imagine that in the 23rd Century, Michael grew up during an era where there's a strong probability that crimes like rape, sexual assault, and child molestation would be extremely rare, because medical science and health care delivery systems would be capable of detecting predilections towards such violence and of delivering effective health care treatments (both neurological and psychological) long before the patient actually engages in such crimes.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even in the early 21st century of Trek Dr. Bashir says humans of Earth could fix a lot of problems in their own time - if they gave a damn. I imagine by the time of the Tantalus V and Elba II penal colonies of TOS the only people held for extended periods of time for criminal activity would be those deemed too medically unfit for mingling with the general public, with most maladies being treatable if not curable.

 

[Sci]

Even in the early 21st century of Trek Dr. Bashir says humans of Earth could fix a lot of problems in their own time - if they gave a damn. I imagine by the time of the Tantalus V and Elba II penal colonies of TOS the only people held for extended periods of time for criminal activity would be those deemed too medically unfit for mingling with the general public, with most maladies being treatable if not curable.

Yep. Even today, there are other prison systems that are both more humane and more effective at rehabilitation than the U.S. model.

 

[cooleddie74]

I knew that'd be about Scandinavia before I even clicked on it.

 

[Commander Troi]

Yep. Even today, there are other prison systems that are both more humane and more effective at rehabilitation than the U.S. model.

Excellent article! Thanks!

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I, too, hope we haven't seen the last of Detmer.

At any rate, a powerful episode. The plot to which the episode title refers reminds me a lot of TNG 1x08, "Justice."

Why do I get the feeling that Book knows something about that spot on Tarka's neck?

Oh, and regarding Scandinavian prisons,
(1) we already have prisons like that. And the people we put in them are, ironically, the very ones who ought to be doing hard time.
And (2) in one of the Oz novels, Baum describes what incarceration is like in Oz: treating criminals with extreme kindness, to encourage remorse.

 

[Quantum21]

If I could I'd rate this a 9.5, but 10 it is for this poll.

It's the 2nd of the last 3 episodes with an interesting ethical dilemma and the first of 5 to really dazzle. It's well executed even though mechanical bugs are now a scifi trope.

 

[Sci]

Oh, and regarding Scandinavian prisons,
(1) we already have prisons like that. And the people we put in them are, ironically, the very ones who ought to be doing hard time.

This statement is too vague; please be specific so I understand what you are trying to communicate. In particular, please tell me which U.S. prisons are modeled after Scandinavian prisons.