Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x05 - "The Examples"

[Starkers]

Grudge Match

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Well that's just against the entire spirit of Star Trek! The one thing all ST shows have in common is anthropomorphizing ships by giving them names. Petition Paramount to give Book's ship a name!

(What should we name it?)

Optimus Prime

 

[SJGardner]

Quark's Treasure. Complete with no one having any idea who Quark is or why a subatomic particle would have a treasure.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Hew-mons progressed 800 years in technology and still don't have seatbelts. What did I tell you, Rom?"

 

[Starbreaker]

I really enjoyed this episode. Burnham's words to the Akaali magistrate at the end were stone cold. Loved it.

 

[Captrek]

this is because the “singular” you is actually a plural you originally used as a courtesy form which supplanted the original singular second person thou, which had its own verbal conjugations.

That’s almost exactly what is happening now with the singular “they,” so if it’s a mess, it’s not much more of a mess than we already had.

 

[ToddCam]

Bookmobile

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

(What should we name it?)

Millennium Falcon sounds good.

I'm sure Disney would sue CBS because of that, so unlikely.

Merchant Vessel Memory of Kwejian?

Interesting

The Queen Grudge

Is that a reference to "The Queen's Gambit"?

Grudge Match

Against whom?

Optimus Prime

Takara / Hasbro might not be happy with that name

Quark's Treasure. Complete with no one having any idea who Quark is or why a subatomic particle would have a treasure.

I have no idea why they would recycle this name.

Bookmobile

I like!

 

[fireproof78]

How about "Book's ship?"

 

[The Rock]

I find it interesting that Michael is so sympathetic with murderers. Would she feel the same about rapists or child molesters?

 

[dupersuper]

I find it interesting that Michael is so sympathetic with murderers. Would she feel the same about rapists or child molesters?

She should be unsympathetic? Why?

 

[The Rock]

She should be unsympathetic? Why?

Would you sympathize with a rapist? A child molester?

 

[dupersuper]

Would you sympathize with a rapist? A child molester?

Would you leave them to die?

 

[The Rock]

Would you leave them to die?

No, but I wouldn't be nice and warm to them like Michael was.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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Different Captains & Crews have different views on Prisoners / Criminals.

 

[jackoverfull]

That’s almost exactly what is happening now with the singular “they,” so if it’s a mess, it’s not much more of a mess than we already had.

exactly what I mean.

I'm sure Disney would sue CBS because of that, so unlikely.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour

I find it interesting that Michael is so sympathetic with murderers. Would she feel the same about rapists or child molesters?

probably. But you can’t show it on a 21st century show, so the writers will not go there.

 

[Sci]

I find it interesting that Michael is so sympathetic with murderers. Would she feel the same about rapists or child molesters?

If she believes in a restorative/rehabilitative justice model over a punitive justice model, she may well feel sympathetic to rapists or child molesters, particularly if they have received effective treatment, taken responsibility for their choices, and are making a genuine effort to change and atone for their crimes. Remember, in TOS "Dagger of the Mind," we learned that the Federation has embraced a rehabilitative model for its prisoners -- treating them as patients who need intensive mental and physical health care, rejecting cages in favor of "decent, clean hospitals for sick minds."

 

[jackoverfull]

As it should be.

 

[ED-209]

The best episode this year and better than anything last year (bar those two mu episodes) think Tillys absence made a big difference to be honest.

 

[Commander Troi]

I swear, this whole thing of it being 'man made' has something to do with experiments around recreating 23rd century spore drive technology. Which, clearly, the 32nd century Starfleet had no database knowledge of until Discovery popped into existence.

Somebody bounce it back ... I'm dying here! lol

I'm boggled nobody has commented on this! I think this is a really neat idea and would bring all sorts of fun complications, especially with Stamets.

‪‪I hadn’t really thought about how much ‪‪I relate to Hugh and his storyline until this scene with Kovich. ‪‪I liked the character a lot from the beginning, largely due to Wilson Cruz’s acting and charm, but now ‪‪I realize that I connect to him through struggling with survivor’s guilt.

Book is not being a baby. He lost his entire planet and everyone on it, including his family. Grief is a process that can take months or years to resolve. I lost my grandmother in November 2019 and I lost my mother in August 2021, and I completely get where Book is coming from and find it accurately reflects my experiences (which are still ongoing).

Thanks, Sci. I lost my mother in June 2017 and I still have long periods of struggling to feel anything at all and occasional bursts of despair where life seems not worth living. I think grief is something that may never be resolved, and is just something you adjust to.

I lost my Dad in 1998 and my Mom in 2008 and yeah, you never get completely over grief. You just learn how to adjust to and live with it.

Mine absolutely are eating at me. I'd like to better manage arie'mnu without diving into kolinahr, but that's for discussions to be had elsewhere.

***HUGS*** to all of you.

it is, but it’s unfortunately perfectly in line with our society, whose awareness on this kind of issue is 10/15 years behind many other countries.

very good question, the answer is no. Non-binary people basically “do not exist” in the public awareness, in fact even being homosexual is just starting to become a somewhat accepted sexual orientation, other sexual orientations or the idea of having a different sexual identity than “the norm” is pretty much considered beyond the comprehensible by most. Givi it time and things will change, of course.

Also, the issue of non-binary people is further issued by the language: in English its just using “they” when talking about them and conjugate the verbs appropriately, in German they have a real (even if really messed up) neutral pronoun, in Italian *everything* is either male or female, including objects (in a totally arbitrary way), and everything is declined. If in English you say “I’ve been to the market” in Italian it’s “sono stato al mercato”, whose literal translation would be “I, male, have been to the market, male” (yes, the market is male...it just is!).

Wow. I knew about the language issue, but not the social part.

In Spanish as well. I've had some trouble with dealing with my org trying to impose Latinx on everyone, while I prefer Latine (I am Latine and LGBTQ+). But there's just so much confusion in terms of what the words even refer to...

Thank you for sharing that! I'm learning to ask people what they prefer.

interesting, thanks. Languages are often imperfect (just think of English, where without context you can’t know if “you” -and now “they”- is plural or singular).

I just talked to my girlfriend, who saw the second season of sex education in Italian, and she tells me that the two non binary characters there were called non binary but addressed as females.

And, by the way, she’s quite an open person but wasn’t even aware of the existence of non-binary people until seeing those characters and finds the whole concept hard to grasp and somewhat troubling. As said, we’re products of our society, it takes time to abandon what we’re told is the only way (if I am to listen to her father even homosexuals are still abominations...).

I'd love if some of you would come over to this thread to talk about this. I think the OP doesn't realize how it is in different countries.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-is-not-and-never-was-particularly-progressive

Millennium Falcon sounds good.

Merchant Vessel Memory of Kwejian?

The Queen Grudge

Grudge Match

Optimus Prime

Quark's Treasure. Complete with no one having any idea who Quark is or why a subatomic particle would have a treasure.

Bookmobile

I love you folks. FWIW, I think @ToddCam has the clear winner here!