Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[oberth]

Urban legend, methinks.

you just want to be in charge of that chair

 

[CommanderRaytas]

you just want to be in charge of that chair

I want woman popes!

 

[oberth]

And there are the conflicting theories surrounding FC. One being that Riker and Geordi were ALWAYS in the Phoenix cockpit with Zefram Cochrane but Cochrane chose not to record their presence and the intervention of the Borg and the Enterprise-E crew in the events of First Contact were a predestination paradox or temporal loop, a theory further strengthened by the revived Borg drones in the Arctic in ENT sending the message in the direction of the Delta Quadrant informing the Collective about the existence of Earth.

The other being that FC created an alternate timeline and that Picard and his crew were never present in the original history of Zefram Cochrane breaking the warp barrier and making First Contact with the Vulcans and the attempted intervention by the Borg led to a changed history that had ripple effects down through time including the development and launch of Enterprise NX-01.

... and borg is greek

 

[Discofan]

The spores must flow.

... imagine though if they arrived in a place where everyone is using spores as very high-end, really expensive drugs and no one realizes their FTL capabilities.

So people would go to strange places in the universe and think they are tripping and hallucinating!!

 

[oberth]

I want woman popes!

why? that just would a add a couple of mad women to a succession of way to many mad men

edit: missed a C

 

[Discofan]

why? that just would a add a couple of mad women to a sucession of way to many mad men

So you're saying the Vatican is a madhouse?

 

[SJGardner]

So people would go to strange places in the universe and think they are tripping and hallucinating!!

Damn, how didn't I think of that when I thought of this punchline?

... or, conversely, it would turn out that Discovery actually is unequipped for the adequate containment of the spores from the drive, and all of the ship's air filtration systems have been completely saturated by them. We're still back in Context is for Kings, and everybody's been tripping their brains out ever since. Come to think of it, it would even explain the disappearing crew members people were complaining about in Season 1 .

 

[Alan Roi]

The spores must flow.

... imagine though if they arrived in a place where everyone is using spores as very high-end, really expensive drugs and no one realizes their FTL capabilities.

Or even better, Notch it up a level do A Star Trek meets Altered States season.

 

[oberth]

So you're saying the Vatican is a madhouse?

yep - as an ex-altar boy i'm entitled to that opinion

 

[Longinus]

Damn, how didn't I think of that when I thought of this punchline?

... or, conversely, it would turn out that Discovery actually is unequipped for the adequate containment of the spores from the drive, and all of the ship's air filtration systems have been completely saturated by them. We're still back in Context is for Kings, and everybody's been tripping their brains out ever since. Come to think of it, it would even explain the disappearing crew members people were complaining about in Season 1 .

Frankly, this is the most plausible explanation for the events depicted in this series.

 

[Harpsichord]

So you're saying the Vatican is a madhouse?

You don't put a corpse on trial without being a little mad

 

[cooleddie74]

Daniels took Archer to the future to show him a battle against the sphere builders. But the spheres were completely destroyed and space returned to normal and that means that that battle NEVER happened! ENT is filled with nonsense like that!

Yeah. Good thing DSC never engages in nonsense.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I just had a thought:

Why did the Discovery need a crew to take it into the future?

The sphere data is sentient, it can operate the ship on its own, so why can't it pilot itself?

 

[Michael]

I just had a thought:

Why did the Discovery need a crew to take it into the future?

The sphere data is sentient, it can operate the ship on its own, so why can't it pilot itself?

It actually didn't need a crew to take it into the future, they outright say that in part one of “Such Sweet Sorrow”. They only need someone in the Red Angel suit opening the wormhole and towing the ship through it. It's just that the crew doesn't want Michael Burnham to be stranded all alone in the far future, so they all decided to abandon their careers and families to keep her some company. I swear, I'm not making this shit up.

 

[Alan Roi]

It actually didn't need a crew to take it into the future, they outright say that in part one of “Such Sweet Sorrow”. They only need someone in the Red Angel suit opening the wormhole and towing the ship through it. It's just that the crew doesn't want Michael Burnham to be stranded all alone in the far future, so they all decided to abandon their careers and families to keep her some company. I swear, I'm not making this shit up.

I watched this show and in doing so understand a) the previous Captain specifically put together a crew that wouldn't abandon one of their number even in extreme circumstances. this was proven time and time again this past season that again, when the going gets tough the crew of discoveries knee jerk reaction isn't saying, "You know I've got a cushy and safe job here, and someone suggests I might upset that nice applecart by supporting a fellow crew member who's risking their life all alone alone? Bye Bye whoever you are."

I find it hilarious, after watching Star Trek for decades that Star Trek crews are willing to take incredible risks for each other and don't abandon each other at the drop of a hat, the most recent show where the crew not only does this, but we are shown specifically why they do this, is treated like this is aberrant behavior for both a Star Trek ship's crew or a Star Trek show in general. Weird.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Another point about the sphere data: If it's intelligent enough to take over the ship, couldn't it be reasoned with somehow? Perhaps even delete itself from Discovery in order to make Control's' search futile?

 

[fireproof78]

Another point about the sphere data: If it's intelligent enough to take over the ship, couldn't it be reasoned with somehow? Perhaps even delete itself from Discovery in order to make Control's' search futile?

Since it is from the future it learned how to combat the "Kirk Maneuver" of destroying artificial entities.

 

[Discofan]

Another point about the sphere data: If it's intelligent enough to take over the ship, couldn't it be reasoned with somehow? Perhaps even delete itself from Discovery in order to make Control's' search futile?

They already showed (on Voyager) that you can reason with smart bombs, so why not?

 

[Kemaiku]

Why did the Discovery need a crew to take it into the future?

The Sphere data may not have taken abandonment lightly and refused to go without company.

Cutting the impulse engines mid ascent would have put a dent in their plans.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Sphere data may not have taken abandonment lightly and refused to go without company.

Cutting the impulse engines mid ascent would have put a dent in their plans.

But like I said, the sphere data is sentient. It could have been reasoned with. Nobody ever thought of trying to talk to it? Maybe it could have been convinced to sacrifice itself for the good of all. Or at least to encrypt itself so Control couldn't use it.