Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Apr 18, 2019.

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  1. oberth

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    ... and borg is greek
     
  2. Discofan

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    So people would go to strange places in the universe and think they are tripping and hallucinating!!
     
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  3. oberth

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    why? that just would a add a couple of mad women to a succession of way to many mad men [​IMG]

    edit: missed a C
     
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  4. Discofan

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    So you're saying the Vatican is a madhouse?
     
  5. SJGardner

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    Damn, how didn't I think of that when I thought of this punchline?

    ... or, conversely, it would turn out that Discovery actually is unequipped for the adequate containment of the spores from the drive, and all of the ship's air filtration systems have been completely saturated by them. We're still back in Context is for Kings, and everybody's been tripping their brains out ever since. Come to think of it, it would even explain the disappearing crew members people were complaining about in Season 1 :guffaw:.
     
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  6. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Or even better, Notch it up a level do A Star Trek meets Altered States season.
     
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  7. oberth

    oberth Captain Captain

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    yep - as an ex-altar boy i'm entitled to that opinion
     
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  8. Longinus

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    Frankly, this is the most plausible explanation for the events depicted in this series.
     
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  9. Harpsichord

    Harpsichord Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    You don't put a corpse on trial without being a little mad :p
     
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    Yeah. Good thing DSC never engages in nonsense. :p
     
  11. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I just had a thought:

    Why did the Discovery need a crew to take it into the future?

    The sphere data is sentient, it can operate the ship on its own, so why can't it pilot itself?
     
  12. Michael

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    It actually didn't need a crew to take it into the future, they outright say that in part one of “Such Sweet Sorrow”. They only need someone in the Red Angel suit opening the wormhole and towing the ship through it. It's just that the crew doesn't want Michael Burnham to be stranded all alone in the far future, so they all decided to abandon their careers and families to keep her some company. I swear, I'm not making this shit up.
     
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  13. Alan Roi

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    I watched this show and in doing so understand a) the previous Captain specifically put together a crew that wouldn't abandon one of their number even in extreme circumstances. this was proven time and time again this past season that again, when the going gets tough the crew of discoveries knee jerk reaction isn't saying, "You know I've got a cushy and safe job here, and someone suggests I might upset that nice applecart by supporting a fellow crew member who's risking their life all alone alone? Bye Bye whoever you are."

    I find it hilarious, after watching Star Trek for decades that Star Trek crews are willing to take incredible risks for each other and don't abandon each other at the drop of a hat, the most recent show where the crew not only does this, but we are shown specifically why they do this, is treated like this is aberrant behavior for both a Star Trek ship's crew or a Star Trek show in general. Weird.
     
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  14. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Another point about the sphere data: If it's intelligent enough to take over the ship, couldn't it be reasoned with somehow? Perhaps even delete itself from Discovery in order to make Control's' search futile?
     
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    Since it is from the future it learned how to combat the "Kirk Maneuver" of destroying artificial entities. ;)
     
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    They already showed (on Voyager) that you can reason with smart bombs, so why not?
     
  17. Kemaiku

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    The Sphere data may not have taken abandonment lightly and refused to go without company.

    Cutting the impulse engines mid ascent would have put a dent in their plans.
     
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  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    But like I said, the sphere data is sentient. It could have been reasoned with. Nobody ever thought of trying to talk to it? Maybe it could have been convinced to sacrifice itself for the good of all. Or at least to encrypt itself so Control couldn't use it.
     
  19. Kemaiku

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    At this point, I think it's aware enough only to wield the ship in a clumsy fashion of controlling main systems. I don't think it can fully reason and speak as much as they need it to, it doesn't want to die, or be left alone. (The time crystal probably showed it the future where the crew came back, and went to the future).

    Maybe it would have gone the other way, taking them whether they liked it or not.
     
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  20. SJGardner

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    Well, if it's sentient and sapient, would you blame it for wanting to live and not being suicidal? There has to be a point where an artificial intelligence starts to have as much of a right to existence as a biological one. On the other hand, if it can be reasoned with, it could surely be convinced to go on autopilot and enter the wormhole by itself.

    Edit: oops, a huge brain fart on my part. Obviously there was no way to know if it could be convinced to shut itself down or not.