that will actually happen in the next season - they hire ba'al to mindmelt with everybody in the universe simultaniously. saves spock a lot of time (at least three episodes worth of time)
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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that will actually happen in the next season - they hire ba'al to mindmelt with everybody in the universe simultaniously. saves spock a lot of time (at least three episodes worth of time)
I was being sarcastic, it was mainly a punchline about the hypothetical insane lengths Spock might have to go to potentially erase everything. I don't think any part of the first two seasons has been rendered pointless at all.
Bored to tears here. 75 minutes with little to no plot at all... just some kind of reset button to the whole Spock has a sister thing.
Fight scenes which don't fit in with TOS-level technology (those torpedo drones) intermixed with teary eyed clichéd good-byes and/or reconciliations (Stamets/Culver, Pike&the admiral, Spock&Burnham - in the latter case taking minutes that neither Discovery nor Enterprise actually have)... and what's the point in doing the whole wormhole/timetravel thing after Leland's death? The enemy ships were disabled, all traces of Control (according to faceless officer) destroyed (debatable) but irrelevant to Discovery's disappearance. Arguably, Georgiu has a copy of the programme on her little device and where's she?
What else? Why should the programme prevent the destruction of Discovery in the last episode but not actively seek control of the ship to get it to Leland/Control? I mean it's invaded the remote control of the self-destruction, it took over shields - and it can't take over propulsion/open a data channel?
And just how quickly can the Klingons assemble a fleet? Starfleet could learn something from them.
Sorry, but this season was simply ridiculous. Last season's twist with Lorca definitely wasn't a wise move and destroyed that character, but it (the second half) was still way above what this season's shown us. But there's one hope: Maybe now that Discovery's removed from canon events the show will come into its own.
Fight scenes which don't fit in with TOS-level technology (those torpedo drones) intermixed with teary eyed clichéd good-byes and/or reconciliations (Stamets/Culver, Pike&the admiral, Spock&Burnham - in the latter case taking minutes that neither Discovery nor Enterprise actually have)... and what's the point in doing the whole wormhole/timetravel thing after Leland's death? The enemy ships were disabled, all traces of Control (according to faceless officer) destroyed (debatable) but irrelevant to Discovery's disappearance. Arguably, Georgiu has a copy of the programme on her little device and where's she?
What else? Why should the programme prevent the destruction of Discovery in the last episode but not actively seek control of the ship to get it to Leland/Control? I mean it's invaded the remote control of the self-destruction, it took over shields - and it can't take over propulsion/open a data channel?
And just how quickly can the Klingons assemble a fleet? Starfleet could learn something from them.
Sorry, but this season was simply ridiculous. Last season's twist with Lorca definitely wasn't a wise move and destroyed that character, but it (the second half) was still way above what this season's shown us. But there's one hope: Maybe now that Discovery's removed from canon events the show will come into its own.
Or they'll borrow the big ass neuralizer from Earth's MIB... It would be funny to discover that most of Earth's inhabitants still don't know about extraterrestrial life...
Maybe that's why no one in Starfleet knows about Section 31 a century later.Or they'll borrow the big ass neuralizer from Earth's MIB... It would be funny to discover that most of Earth's inhabitants still don't know about extraterrestrial life...
Touché! While everybody knows about them then, I mean the black badge is identified without hesitation. Which means that all of Starfleet decided to keep quiet about 31 by common accord, especially to the newcomers.
they'll deal with that - they'll simply give every ship her own badge and drown the s31badge in that multitude
I have a feeling I'm going to regret opening this particular can of worms (discussions of Section 31 never go well), but I don't quite remember anyone outside the officer corps ever recognizing a black badge... it might be that knowledge of them was restricted to a certain rank and above to begin with. Still, with all of their ships being compromised and destroyed and the vast majority of their personnel spaced by Control, I find it quite possible they'll fade into obscurity in a hundred years. Some time ago I've made a comparison that even if a black ops afficionado learned they were still around in the 2370s, it wouldn't be like learning the KGB of recent memory still operates but rather that the tsarist Okhrana is still around.
It believed it's creators were machines too, and that organic life could not create something as sophisticated as itself. That doesn't bode well for the development level of all the inhabited worlds it passed through in all those galaxies.
Can I help it if it took the idiot heavy route?
I still feel that a Star Trek show CAN successfully take place in the "10 years before TOS" era.
There is no need for a series to have the callbacks to TOS that DSC did (Spock, Sarek, Pike, the Enterprise, etc). They just as easily had just a few adjacent references to the TOS era -- enough to give us a sense of the timeframe, but not so detailed as to require them for jump through hoops to make sure it all lines up.
I mean, it's a big quadrant. The Discovery could have been off doing its own thing in the pre-TOS timeframe without having too many stories that necessarily needed to align with TOS. TOS had many stand-alone episodes with one-off aliens and one-off stories that were never reference again in any Star Trek series. DSC could have done the same.
I just don't agree that the thing holding them back was their timeframe.
There's also a Kirk in the credits.I noticed this in the credits a few weeks ago, but has anyone else spotted the member of the production crew named Matt Decker?
I didn't notice the doctor doing it, but it's been a trademark of Burnham's since Season 1, and I kinda like it.
Michelle Yeoh was billed as Michelle Khan in the first several years of her film career.
Which makes having an obvious emblem which would lead people to ask "what's that badge all about?" a strange choice...
Kirk: Matt -- where's your crew?I noticed this in the credits a few weeks ago, but has anyone else spotted the member of the production crew named Matt Decker?
Decker: I beamed them over to the starship Discovery.
Kirk: But Matt, there is no ship called Discovery!
Decker: [sobbing] Don't you think I know that! There was, but not anymore!
I honestly don't think the plan is to erase all of Discovery's history. Only the details of the spore drive and Discovery's trip to the future is classified/covered up. They are not going to deny it's existence or that of her crew. At least that was my take.
A fair point.
My guess is that if they really want to have no official data on Discovery at all, they could alter the crew's service records to say another starship and list them as KIA. But yes, the easiest way would be to simply redact everything related to Discovery's mission and simply list it as lost with all hands due to a catastrophic [tech] failure. Probably a completely different [tech] failure than the Glenn so that no one gets suspicious.
This may have been said already but there WAS a cadet Decker on Discovery, at least prior to the end of the war.
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