IMO, those are both execution issues.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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IMO, those are both execution issues.
I predict S3 will be 14 episodes of the Discovery crew repairing the ship since it is so messed up from that epic battle. Unless of coarse the ship damage is repaired in 1 episode, which would free up the rest of the season.
IMHO Trek is about an ethos and a storytelling style, not lore.
Interesting that somehow Discovery now goes the Way of Fullers Anthology-Concept.
Even looking backwards, the way the series is constructed the ship could end up spending a whole season exploring/searching/dealing with the inhabitants of a dyson sphere where all we got from TNG was one and done 45 minutes of 'Relics'.
There are a vast amount of approaches the series could take.
For as much as it gets wrong, I do think Disco consistently gets right the emotional core of Star Trek. The actual story beats that get us there may be plotted with remarkable incompetence, but they do land in the right place in terms of feeling, the optimism and hope and inclusiveness I want to see is always the message they're ultimately peddling. That's one thing that reassures me about what they'll do with the new timeframe.
But I do hope the writing staff manages to get a grasp on elementary story plotting over hiatus. That's what is holding them back. If they could just lick that problem! I love the show, but I'd love to be able to love it in a more unqualified way.
But I do hope the writing staff manages to get a grasp on elementary story plotting over hiatus. That's what is holding them back. If they could just lick that problem! I love the show, but I'd love to be able to love it in a more unqualified way.
And, you got this 90% figure from where?
No, it's what you'd personally like, which is fine.
Probably was intended once Fuller left to take his idea but just have one crew/ship doing it all.
I think star trek is a lot of things to a lot of people.
I can see the merit for instance, of Voyager being a grimmer, grittier show, fighting for survival, limping along, the ship falling apart.
But for me, that "isn't star trek"
I don't watch star trek for dark and depressing, I have always watched it because I like the overall idea of humanity moving beyond what we have now. I like to finish "most" episodes feeling lighter and optimistic. Not drained and depressed.
I also think there's enough depressing stuff on TV anyway without needing to make Trek like that. Game Of Thrones is a good example, great show but most of the time it's not exactly uplifting.
Uplifting is what Trek is, to me.
My theory https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/season-3-and-calypso-timeline.299306/ is that it's two different events. First Discovery went to the future, then it was abandoned for another 1000 years. At this point does it really matter if Discovery will end up in 32nd or 42nd centuries?
To me the bots looked like GO-4 from Wall-E...I did laugh at the repair bots on the Enterprise hull. @guyute03 My first thought was R2 as well!
Anyway, that episode was a bit, well, wow.
Despite the story stagnating a little for a few episodes, I felt the Red Angel story actually tied itself up neatly enough. The sight of the Kelpians and the Klingons warping in to save the day was a brilliant moment. The fact that it was all down to Burnham's actions in travelling to the different systems in the first place really clicked for me.
Today is a good day to die! That almost made it worth having the badly paced Klingon arc this year by itself. Almost. I am happy that Tyler hasn't travelled to the future with Discovery, so hopefully it's a bit of a reprieve from this useless guy.
Poor Admiral Cornwell! I's convinced myself a while ago that Pike was going to end up in his chair by the season's end, so I was happy to see him lie another day. Now with a shaven Spock, they can bring on the Pike series.
Discovery travelling to the future, only for us to not actually seeing anything happen there, was probably a wise choice. It left things mysterious enough for us to wildly guess everything that will happen next season. With so much going on in the rest of the episode, just making it though the wormhole felt like an epic farewell to the crew.
I also liked that we haven't had a reset button at the end of it all to explain why Burnham was never mentioned in TOS. Yes, a bit of hand-waving going on, but I liked that Spock, Pike and everyone else lied about Discovery's whereabouts, and that because of the failure of Section 31, Starfleet should keep it classified.
You do know that on Earth we had the Dark Ages, which is where lots of knowledge was lost, right? It can and has happened in the real world. There's also plenty of examples of the rise and fall of empires. It's a real thing.
Yep, totally agree. The possibilities are limitless, and the notion that there are only one or two possibilities is ludicrous. Shows a severe lack of imagination!
To escape TOS and to preserve canon. But yeah, in-universe it doesn't make sense.
Oh I forgot I have to cite my references, and that even if I do, I'll be told that they are false anyway.
It was a broad strokes comment, outside of this site, you discuss discovery and it's not hitting with the majority, it just isn't regardless of what anyone says, I'm not brainwashed and I can see the general consensus.
A pike and spock show would be more popular, deny it until you are blue in the face but we all know it deep down.
See my new avatar <--To me the bots looked like GO-4 from Wall-E...
But yeah, this is CBS saying, if Star Wars can sell some toys, why can't we
Agreed. This cast and these characters have me aboard for the ride.
Yes, this is my issue, that it's going to feel generic non-Trek. That was my issue with Voyager much of the time. But this time they at least got me on board with these characters.
I had *not* seen that piece yet, and I simply took that ending as a cliffhanger about the Discovery disappearing into the future, and that the Enterprise portion was simply the love letter and signoff for Spock/Pike/Number One, and to give you just enough info about the Disco to keep you hanging. If there wasn't talk of a Pike series, I think it just reads as, here's the last time we're seeing these guys. Which I suspect it is, but I'm still hopeful.
I think this is likely. Why would there necessarily still be a Federation? And they will need some sort of conflict for the drama and danger.
Good catch!
Starfleet has not explored he majority of the Milky Way even by TNG's. Still plenty to discover within our own galaxy. Plus, things can change dramatically over the course of almost a thousand years. The Milky Way setting should largely be unrecognizable over the passage of that much time.
Well, thank goodness we have your superior intellect to explain it to us.
They've always had them. :shiftyeyes:
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