Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Kor]

You are correct, Pike calls her ”Noona“. That‘s what it says in the subtitles.

The subtitles can have mistakes, though. They also say "calvary" when Pike says "cavalry."

Kor

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We can pretend it was setting up "this person who looks human may actually be a robot" as a plot element.

Except the scene with the malfunctioning Harry androids makes it pretty clear that tthey eventually degrade to the point of nutso.

 

[Vger23]

I have a strong, visceral dislike of any version of the "one ship stranded away from everyone they've ever known" story.

But, I always said the biggest problem with Voyager was terrible casting (there's only so much you can do to course correct when half the cast can't act), and I often think Discovery's greatest strength is perfect casting, so that's one thing helping me maintain my qualified optimism.

My problem with VOY (at least one of them) was that I like the setting and universe of Star Trek. I like Starfleet, the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, whatever. You go to the Delta Quadrant...it's just another generic sci-fi show, and not a very compelling one at that.

I fear the same for DSC S3. But, I actually fear the impact even more because I loved the TOS tie-ins etc, so those will also be a loss. A huge one from my POV.

 

[ClintDagger]

Good season, good finale. If you are watching that ending though without the context of Kurtzman saying S3 does jump 930 years then you would swear that DSC and her crew’s story has ended and it’s now time to follow the ENT and Pike. Strange choice not to end with SOMETHING from the DSC crew. Even if that something is only seeing Michael’s face as she surveys what’s around her.

 

[Tuskin38]

Unless the alleged Section 31 show is a red herring.

Nah, Kurtzman brought it up during his post finale interview. It’s still happening

Am I right in thinking that Number One was called “Noona”?

What occurred to me about that was:
Number One
No. One
Noone

So now either Discovery is 51,000 ly away or in the 32nd century. So season 3 will either be a Voyager rehash or about a crew and ship 930 years behind the times trying to assimilate into a future so distant even English should be gibberish to them. Both ideas sound uninteresting to me.

They’re 950 years in the future according to Kurtzman.

So around the year 3207, the 33rd Century

 

[cultcross]

Well, if she 'moved' the file instead of 'copying' it, what is the result on our computers?

From one device to another, a move is a copy then delete. Depending on how good their shredding software is, deleted might be recoverable. Even so, Trek has a long history of treating computer data like a physical file to be moved around (the EMH is the worst example) so Discovery is hardly unique. But when your key plot is about computer data, it might be worth thinking about.

 

[cultcross]

Nah, Kurtzman brought it up during his post finale interview. It’s still happening

They’re 950 years in the future according to Kurtzman.

So around the year 3207, the 33rd Century

Oh is that where he said it? I just thought he slurred "number one". If they were intending to reveal her name, could have been more obvious about it!

 

[Vger23]

I liked the idea of a timejump with the smaller crew who decided to remain with Burnham much better. It had the potential to build on desperation of being under staffed, but also the potential of truly setting this group up as a tight-nit family who must depend on each other for survival...kind of like Walking Dead was at one point.

I'm disappointed that the whole crew made the trip

 

[EnderAKH]

You don't think they are going to pull the trigger on the fan-fictiony "Fallen Federation" storyline, do you? The one, like Andromeda, where our heroes have to put the Federation back together after it has fallen due to corruption, war or what have you.

 

[Kor]

Well, if she 'moved' the file instead of 'copying' it, what is the result on our computers?

On our computers, the file is still easily retrievable from the drive that the file was supposedly deleted or moved from, because the data isn't actually destroyed unless extra steps were taken to overwrite the sectors where the file was originally stored (conceptualized as "shredding" the file). And even then, forensic methods might still be able to retrieve it.

Kor

 

[Alan Roi]

From one device to another, a move is a copy then delete. Depending on how good their shredding software is, deleted might be recoverable. Even so, Trek has a long history of treating computer data like a physical file to be moved around (the EMH is the worst example) so Discovery is hardly unique. But when your key plot is about computer data, it might be worth thinking about.

Perhaps in the Federation digital rights management has been adopted to an extreme degree.

 

[ITDUDE]

They’re 950 years in the future according to Kurtzman.

So around the year 3207, the 33rd Century

930 years according to Burnham which puts it around 3189-ish. Still 32nd century. It's ok, not the first time producers didn't know what's going on in their own show.

 

[Alan Roi]

You don't think they are going to pull the trigger on the fan-fictiony "Fallen Federation" storyline, do you? The one, like Andromeda, where our heroes have to put the Federation back together after it has fallen due to corruption, war or what have you.

There's a lot of directions one could choose. In a thousand years, the Federation could be akin to Ian Banks Culture.

 

[Tosk]

In my opinion, he says Una. The 'N' is just the end of conn. He does not (to my ears) says two Ns. "conn, Una." rather than "conn, Noona."

Plus, look at how attached to researching existing lore they are. Why would they go with Noona?

 

[Ravenswood]

My problem with VOY (at least one of them) was that I like the setting and universe of Star Trek. I like Starfleet, the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, whatever. You go to the Delta Quadrant...it's just another generic sci-fi show, and not a very compelling one at that.

I fear the same for DSC S3. But, I actually fear the impact even more because I loved the TOS tie-ins etc, so those will also be a loss. A huge one from my POV.

I share those concerns. Not sure how excited I am about a show set so far in the future, but we'll see.

At least the set up for season three only superficially resembles VOY. Voyager was a new or nearly new ship that got flung across the galaxy unexpectedly and (for their part) unintentionally, and they are desperate to get home.

Discovery, on the other hand, was stranded in the future deliberately. Unless something drastic changes, the crew has no expectation of getting home, and willingly chose a one way trip. In fact, not coming home is the mission. And Discovery herself is damaged, undermanned, and in pretty dire straits. I doubt they'll be tooling around looking for the next adventure-of-the-week with their showroom floor perfect starship like we saw in VOY.

 

[Jbarney]

All I am saying is there are going to have to be a FYM worth of stories in those 124 days for this to be remotely believable. Ya, the rest of Section 31 has been eliminated, but something tells me.....err....there might be other qualified candidates out there?

 

[Alan Roi]

930 years according to Burnham which puts it around 3189-ish. Still 32nd century. It's ok, not the first time producers didn't know what's going on in their own show.

Or they could know exactly what they are doing.

 

[Vger23]

You don't think they are going to pull the trigger on the fan-fictiony "Fallen Federation" storyline, do you? The one, like Andromeda, where our heroes have to put the Federation back together after it has fallen due to corruption, war or what have you.

Well...let me see....

When I heard the announcement for DSC, I said I really wanted to avoid:

A Klingon War
Section 31

That didn't work out well, but I enjoyed it despite that.

I also really (SINCERELY) don't want a "Fallen Federation" arc...so I'll conclude it will probably happen and, based on my track record, that I'll probably end up liking it regardless.

 

[Alan Roi]

In my opinion, he says Una. The 'N' is just the end of conn. He does not (to my ears) says two Ns. "conn, Una." rather than "conn, Noona."

Plus, look at how attached to researching existing lore they are. Why would they go with Noona?

Captioners are notoriously inaccurate when it comes to names.

 

[rhllot]

Ethan Peck is a wonderful spock!


this end closes all doubts of continuity!

ash new chief of section 31 !!