Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Feb 7, 2019.

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  10. 1 - An oddball for sure.

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  1. oberth

    oberth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    but there was no explosion on the bridge :D
     
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  2. Pindar

    Pindar Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    A solid 9, this season great.

    The Saru/Burnham scene towards the end was my leasty favourite bit, purely becuase I thought Doug Jones gave a much stronger performance and Sonequa just wasn't as good.

    I wish we got this the same night as as the US because this thread is always 50 odd pages long by the time I get round to reading it.
     
  3. gorn81

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    This was a great episode, I loved every minute of it. Discovery is going from strength to strength, who’d have thought a Star Trek series would get better as time went by?!?!!

    Saru and Burnham’s story tugged at the heart strings and showed how their relationship has grown and changed through the series.

    The scenes in Spore-geneering were both fun and tense, I loved the song choice. I can’t understand why Mozart is acceptable but Bowie isn’t? Why can people in Star Trek listen to 500 year old music but not 300 year old music?
    As has been said upthread the only reason is copyright, the producers didn’t want to pay to use music or published works that are still under copyright.
    On Saru’s storyline, do we actually know the true nature of the relationship between the Ba’ul and Kelpiens?
    Are the Ba’ul actually extraterrestrial or do they live elsewhere on Kaminar? We haven’t seen them, all we know is they have advanced technology, some type of teleportation.
    Do they use Vaharai as an excuse to keep their prey docile? Or are the Ba’ul mature Kelpiens who don’t want their young to know what the future has in store for some reason?
    Whatever the truth is, it will affect how General Order Number 1 relates to Kaminar. Something tells me we will be returning soon, Saru ain’t gonna take no for an answer

    I might have to move to the States, not getting Disco until 8am the following day means I can’t watch until the evening almost 24hours later. It’s taken me until now to get through 50+ pages.
    9.5/10.
     
  4. drt

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    I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is "yes".
     
  5. Claudia

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    Didn't think it could get worse than 2x03... but it did. I practically fell asleep halfway through the episode. The only redeeming factor was Reno. None of the subplots managed to grab my attention: that Saru wouldn't die was clear from the beginning, the whole tearful drama a bit overdone. Tilly... not quite sure why she's so pushed (here and already in season 1), but just trying to talk with the spores in the last episode could have prevented all those alien-esque scenes.

    And as "fun" as the translator gag was... given that humans don't rely on the translator and only the communication to other species is aided by it (at least as far as I understood in this episode), why did Burnham and Pike talk in Klingon? Might be that the translators are implanted and therefore everything that they say comes out in a different language - AFAIK they weren't in other series as the communicators also worked as translators. But I could have missed that since it never was much of an issue.

    Anyway, I had high hopes after the first couple of episodes - well, I'm cured from them.
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    I think it's a shame that you find it that un-enjoyable.
    Will you continue to watch or just go back to viewing old Trek shows till the Picard series come out?
     
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  7. Tuskin38

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    We're not even half way through the season yet.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    Where are your hopes at now?

    While I respect this opinion, I find the diminished spirits odd given that we are not at the halfway point yet.
     
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  9. SJGardner

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    I've already said this in the last thread, but that thing was causing a huge mental strain and possibly serious neural damage to a member of the crew. Its very presence in Tilly was a medical emergency in itself and she already looked like she hasn't slept for days when she broke down on the bridge. Potential first contact situation aside, being sentient doesn't give you carte blanche to go around harming people. We can argue if it was just the writers not learning their biology, but Stamets described it as a parasite and not a symbiotic organism. They did the most sensible thing: avert the medical risk, contain the biohazard and then decide what to do with it, preferably establish communications as it's sentient. No one could've foreseen 1.) a shipwide systems failure shutting off the containment field and 2.) that May would be able to dose people with hallucinogens and abduct people back into her own world if allowed to manifest outside her host.

    And besides, based on what May did and said in this episode, she already came to our world with an agenda at odds with Stamets & Co and she flat-out stated she wanted to use Tilly against him. It's not exactly like she was merely angry at Stamets for insulting and painfully extracting her or that she could've simply been talked down with a solemn Picard speech about peaceful coexistence.
     
  10. Ghouleddie74

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    We're barely at the one-quarter point, much less halfway to the season finale. There will be at least, what, 15 episodes this season? We're four in.

    At this point in certain other Trek series we'd be lauding the entire season as a brilliant masterpiece based on just the first four to six episodes and then recoil at how bad some of the later ones would be. How about we give it another few weeks before we decide if the entire season is a bust? Season 1 was markedly worse than this one's been so far and yet we all survived those episodes.
     
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  11. Lakenheath 72

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    I am okay with them using or referencing music of the past fifty or so years, even though I know it is not realistic. Most people nowadays do not listen to what was popular 300 years ago, as one artist I read about, put it, it is like listening to relics, something from an archaeological dig. In that interview, he was talking about music made in the decades before he was born, not music hundreds of years old. I would say that in 300 years people then, if they are around, will be listening to music which doesn't feel so relic-ly and is closer to their time. (Reading today's depressing news on the declining insect populations makes it even more dubioius if there will be a human civilization in 300 years. That is the subject for another day.)

    About the season, I will weigh in on my opinion on the thing when it is completed. It is like reading a book, where there are a combination of bad, mediocre, and good chapters. It is in the balance of these elements, how many there of each, which makes the decision for me on whether the work as a whole is bad, mediocre, or good.
     
  12. Jackson_Roykirk

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    I laughed out loud the other day when I was watching "Monk" and he made some reference to Joey Heatherton being the first example he could think of for a sexy woman.

    Granted, Joey Heatherton was sexy, but leave it to Adrian Monk -- in the 21st century -- to think first of a 1970's sex symbol who is mostly obscure today. :lol:
     
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  13. Timo

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    Hmm... I'm surrounded by people who listen to (and sing and play) music from the early 1700s just about as often as they do contemporary music, or music from the years in between. Admittedly my great-grandpa wouldn't have been surrounded by people who jumped to early 1600s music, but it's the future we're concerned with here, not the past.

    (Although strike that. My great-grandpa would have been surrounded by people who jumped to early 1600s music, and nothing much else. Every Sunday, to be exact.)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  14. Ghouleddie74

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    I don't know about you guys but Mrs. Roper was the ideal '70s woman. Frequently in nightgowns, tolerating a schlub of a husband, always laughing with a naughty mind and on the side of Jack, Janet and Chrissy in their struggles against Stanley.

    And that's the way, UH-HUH, UH-HUH, we liked it.
     
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    My problem with Mrs. Roper was - she smoked like a chimney. Plus, she was only siding with the renting kids to get back at said Husband. ;)
     
  16. Jackson_Roykirk

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    McCoy was -- and I bet Boyce would have been -- the Captain's friend and confidant. What I mean is it may not have been his position as doctor that put him on the bridge, but rather his personal relationship with Kirk (and Boyce with Pike). McCoy and Boyce were people whose counsel was valued and trusted by their Captains.

    I wonder if this is a little call back to the film and novel "Mister Roberts" where Roberts saw the Doctor as the one person among the crew who was most similar to himself and shared the same sensibilities, thus was the one person from whom he could truly get valued advice. Granted, Roberts wasn't the Captain, but he was the defacto leader of the crew.
     
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  17. Ghouleddie74

    Ghouleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    BUT THEY GOT A SPINOFF SERIES. Come on. Give a chain-smoking cougar a break, yo. :p
     
  18. oberth

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    never heard of her

    who?
     
  19. Ghouleddie74

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    Kids today.

    (*Sighs*)
     
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  20. Hythlodeus

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    the landlady from Three's Company (or, as you would call it Herzbube mit zwei Damen)