100% agreed. She was like that on TWD too and the ep where she finally was a walker's sandwich was thoroughly enjoyable.
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100% agreed. She was like that on TWD too and the ep where she finally was a walker's sandwich was thoroughly enjoyable.
Eugenics Wars was early 90’s, and may have involved the shadow guy.
I knew that, but apparently have always thought that the Trek universe's World War III and the Eugenics Wars were the same conflict.
Not gonna lie. Despite its flaws and some pacing issues this may be my favorite episode yet. Trek lore and continuity, Pike being both the DSC Pike as well as the hardass and stickler for the rules we remember from "The Cage(TOS)," Tilly's eerie encounter with a dead friend who may be one of the Red Angels taking the form of a friend and crewmate to feed her the right answers to solve the crisis and a general TOS-like feel to the episode that was welcome after so many hit-or-miss episodes that couldn't decide what they wanted to be.
We finally got a canonical glimpse of the Third World War even if it was just American or Western Alliance soldiers huddled in a church and being abduced by the Red Angel aliens. I'd have absolutely pissed myself with joy to see ECON or "Encounter at Farpoint(TNG)"-style mid-21st century military uniforms but this was plenty good enough and a moment that ENT should have given us but never did.
Flawed, but solid.
We finally got a canonical glimpse of the Third World War even if it was just American or Western Alliance soldiers huddled in a church and being abduced by the Red Angel aliens. I'd have absolutely pissed myself with joy to see ECON or "Encounter at Farpoint(TNG)"-style mid-21st century military uniforms but this was plenty good enough and a moment that ENT should have given us but never did.
Flawed, but solid.
Wow. Nice story. Could have been a TNG episode -- or an Orville ep.
Some people have tried to retcon the Eugenics Wars as being part of World War III or the actual war itself because of Spock's lines in TOS that the Eugenics Wars were "your last so-called World War," but TNG and ENT confirmed that the two conflicts were separate armed confrontations decades apart.
The minute they declared that the signals were spread out all over the Galaxy, you knew it was coming back.
Apparently I either missed those TNG and ENT references completely or have forgotten about them.
Well, TOS and TWOK were pretty firm that Khan and the Eugenics Wars took place between about 1993 and 1996 and TNG and ENT established that the Third World War was a nuclear exchange that happened in or around 2053. Some fans have pedantically tried to move Khan and the Eugenics Wars up to the mid-21st century because the real life 1990s didn't have sleeper ship technology(they didn't have Henry Starling, Chronowerx or the Millennial Gate being planned, either, but those are other topics for other threads)but in the fictional Earth history of Star Trek the 1990s did have sleeper ship technology even if it was covert or only a few ships were ever constructed at the time.
Two separate wars divided by half a century or longer. There may have been smaller regional conflicts waged by men like Colonel Green that led up to World War III and were being fought in the 2030s and 2040s(Yarnek in "The Savage Curtain(TOS)" did say that Green fought a genocidal war "early in the 21st century" so that would allow wiggle room for regional wars and genocides that weakened international stability and led to a global nuclear crisis and war in 2053), but the actual World War III conflict involving nuclear weapons destroying cities and killing about 600 million people has now been specifically tied to the year 2053 by a film and one - and possibly two - series.
Two separate wars divided by half a century or longer. There may have been smaller regional conflicts waged by men like Colonel Green that led up to World War III and were being fought in the 2030s and 2040s(Yarnek in "The Savage Curtain(TOS)" did say that Green fought a genocidal war "early in the 21st century" so that would allow wiggle room for regional wars and genocides that weakened international stability and led to a global nuclear crisis and war in 2053), but the actual World War III conflict involving nuclear weapons destroying cities and killing about 600 million people has now been specifically tied to the year 2053 by a film and one - and possibly two - series.
My first guess on the location of the new ready room:The support struts remind me of the TOS conference room
There are a set of windows usually difficult to see, in a section behind and slightly above the bridge. The new ready room has three windows. The shapes “might” correspond to those on the interior model. Might be morewindows which could mean another adjacent room, but so far that’s best guess. The episode makes it difficult to determine where Pike and Burnhamare when they first enter the bridge.
To this day we still don’t know what caused World War III. Probably just escalating tensions with certain countries.
I feel foolish for being wrong about my Trek history for all these years. 
I've spent my whole adult life buried in Trek chronology and minutae. I know way too much to allow me to comfortably fit into normal society but not enough to compete with the people who run the franchise.
I'd hold my own against most fans but Mike Okuda would bodyslam me with an obscure datapoint about where and when Will Riker first threw his leg over a chair. The Okuda Maneuver would defeat us all.
I'd hold my own against most fans but Mike Okuda would bodyslam me with an obscure datapoint about where and when Will Riker first threw his leg over a chair. The Okuda Maneuver would defeat us all.
Captain Pike disagrees.
I thought the same thing!
Pike definitely handled these humans a lot differently than Archer did the humans and Skagarans that Enterprise NX-01 encountered inside the Delphic Expanse over a century before DSC. No Prime Directive, no firm rules about how to handle any species without warp capability and only T'Pol and Phlox to give advice about what not to do.
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