Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Jan 14, 2018.

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  1. 10 - Loved every minute of it!

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  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  10. 1 - Hated every second!

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  1. Kevin Wolff

    Kevin Wolff Captain Captain

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    I wonder if we'll ever get a techno-explanation of how two disparate universes still manage to juggle the same core players. Maybe the mirror universe is like the Q continuum and is defined in context of the characters crossing over.
     
  2. thribs

    thribs Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    But we don’t even know if they are in the same area as the Shenzhou. For all we know they’re still in the debris field.
     
  3. Kevin Wolff

    Kevin Wolff Captain Captain

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    I think it will be updated quite a bit, but like the JJverse and refit, still look the same at its core. I also still believe we won't see the connie full on until we meet Pike's Enterprise hopefully in S2.
     
  4. JoeP

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    Plus it seemed that he couldn’t help but bow slightly to the emperor after she had twisted Burnham’s arm to do the same. An almost knee-jerk reaction. I guess you can take the man out of the Mirror Universe, but not the Mirror Universe out of the man.
     
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  5. Jaimito

    Jaimito Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    first of all it is scifi, and secondly it is a made up alien species, which may not subject to any known evolutional pressures on earth. Besides, different skin color happened quite recently for homo sapiens. On the evolution time scale, people started moving out of Africa relatively recently. You need more info on what Kilingons were doing in their history. If they had houses that segregated breeding, then there is more likelihood they had different races earlier, not slower.
     
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  6. Ovation

    Ovation Admiral Admiral

    They left the debris field last episode and Lorca ordered them to remain close by before beaming over to the Shenzhou.
     
  7. thribs

    thribs Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It’s highlighted in some of the novels that this is a universe where the Borg do not exist. Because of that, First Contact wasn’t threatened by them and hence no reason for Picard to come back and explain to Cochrane that the aliens that come are peaceful. Hence why he killed them thinking they were a invading force.
     
  8. eschaton

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    Yeah, that was okay. I'm going to rate it a seven, and I'm being generous.

    A lot of the plotlines this week were kind of contrived. The biggest example being Tilly being given carte blanche to attempt to save Stamets. I know she worked in the spore drive with Stamets, but she is still just a cadet, and presumably there were higher-ranked officers with more experience which could have led this mission. Her dialogue this week was mostly awful technobabble as well, and I wasn't feeling the performance after making a great show of it last week. I really hope Stamets stops being a plot device and turns back into a character soon.

    While I liked the use of Mirror Voq in this episode - he basically was the same person, only he took his beliefs to a different conclusion - I thought Tyler's final transition into the Voq personal was poorly done. Or at least, boringly straightforward when more pathos could have been worked out of it. It doesn't help that SMG and Latif never sold me on the romantic aspect of the relationship. The one thing I did like (if it was done on purpose) is Tyler's accent seemed to be slipping as he was breaking down. At first I thought he was just effing up, but I think it was done to show that the "Klingon accent" was breaking through.

    I didn't like how in this episode we really are just told about the brutality of the Terran Empire, but aside from spacing some prisoners, we aren't shown it. I suppose it would be a bit redundant, but it meant that at times the episode was a bit lacking in tension. At the same time, I think it had pacing issues, insofar as there was too much content thrown into the mix to allow the characters time to breathe.

    Absolutely nothing in this episode really shocked me in any way, where at least in the last episode there were a few "twists" thrown our way.

    At the same time, I wouldn't say it was bad. As is generally the case, the episode was visually stunning. There weren't any hugely nonsensical plot lines. I was entertained all the way through. It just wasn't that deep of an experience.
     
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  9. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

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    This episode we learned that Starfleet has transporters which can reach across multiple lightyears.
     
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  10. Akiraprise

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    I hope it looks like this. This is the perfect update in my mind.
     
  11. thribs

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    I thought he meant sensor range and not transporter range. You have to be pretty close for transporters.
     
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  12. Kevin Wolff

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    That explains the universes themselves (and it's a good explanation), but it doesn't explain how the players are still the same, especially in a universe with a much higher mortality rate. Kira meets Kira, Kirk meets Spock, Burnham's closest friend is the emperor and so on
     
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  13. Jaimito

    Jaimito Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    love that scene of Saru and Michael lying to each other. Saru didn't want her to be distracted by Drs death.

    Why did Michael said she didn't see a Kelpian in MU? she didn't want to hurt his feelings that they were slaves, or that his mirror Saru is rubbing her in a bubble bath? That bath scene reminded me of Coming to America...lol!!!!
     
  14. thribs

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    That’s when it falls apart. It’s best not to think much about it. :)
     
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  15. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

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    You need to learn Klingon history.

    The Genetic Bottleneck was an alien conquest that enslaved and nearly exterminated the Klingon species.


    The ship was shown as still being in the debris field this very episode.
     
  16. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Within about 100,000 kilometers I believe even in the TNG era, at least for personnel transporters aboard Federation starships. My guess is that the Discovery was close by and hiding herself from Terran forces.
     
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  17. johnjm22

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    This was far and away the best episode IMO.

    I didn't love it, but it was much more immersive and engaging than anything we've seen from this show thus far.

    It slowed down a little bit and stayed focused. It was more mature and had a better sense of realism. Baby steps.
     
  18. cpelc

    cpelc Cadet Newbie

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    I had a question hit me tonight that I had never considered before .... How do you think Mirror Spock even exists? I mean if Sarek is a rebel and things aren't exactly great between Terrans and Vulcans - when did he have the time or ability to have a child with Amanda?
     
  19. Vger23

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    I really liked it, but as others have said, it was more of a transitional episode, so it's not quite as impactful as the last episode. But, it's just a mountain of fun right now.

    Latif is a hidden gem of an actor. He has pulled off some amazing stuff the last several episodes.

    Question : what were the repairs that were taking place at the beginning of the episode aboard the Discovery?

    Also- I'm assuming that Michael signaled the Discovery and planned the Tyler rescue. They didn't go immediately to the transporter room. She must have set that up.
     
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  20. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    I think when the constitution class is finally revealed it will look a lot like this. My assertion has always been that the general shape of the ship is fine all it just needs more detail and texture on the hull to make it look like it's not a plastic model.