Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Jan 14, 2018.

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  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Practically every Klingon in this new series has a case of marblemouth. Maybe if they didn't walk around all the time with Fiddle Faddle stuffed in their mouths. I mean, come on.

    Snack time comes later, guys. Didn't Kahless teach you anything other than to look for his light?
     
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  2. Jack Watkins

    Jack Watkins Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Kahlesh sounds like a Klingon fingerfood , not a Klingon figurehead. (*rimshot*)
     
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  3. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They could just use voiceovers. I would just give them all Darth Vader voices.
     
  4. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    IIRC, Tyler said "Kalesh" in one of his Voq awakening moments while saying the Kahless/T'Kuvma prayer, sans makeup. No excuses for marblemouthing that one, as there were no prosthetic teeth to get in the way.

    I guess, after over 50 years of saying it one way (no "KahleSH" in "The Savage Curtain") they've decided it to do it another. I wonder what Mark Okrand has to say about it.
     
  5. XCV330

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    one of the s sounds in Klingon is pronounced more like sh in the back of the tongue. he actually did it right.
     
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  6. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    he would be pleased. it's the first time the actors get it right
     
  7. Longinus

    Longinus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    But the pronunciation existed before the language was even created. So if if the name was assigned a Klingon spelling that would result a different pronunciation than one heard in the show, then that was a mistake.
     
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  8. Jack Watkins

    Jack Watkins Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    All I know is that Klingonese was a lot more pleasant in the Berman era, when it was used sparingly. I wish they had the Klingons speak English when alone on their ships, with the audience understanding its translated for our benefit.
     
  9. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    have we ever heard Klingons pronounce Khaless before thlingan hol was created? I only remember Starfleet officers and Excalbians
     
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  10. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    Exactly what I'm wondering.
    Hmm...actually, no, come to think of it. I don't recall it ever being mentioned in any of the TOS movies and I think the first time it was mentioned in TNG was by Worf, after thlingan hol was invented. So, yes, it could be explained as an outworlder mispronunciation all this time.
     
  11. Jesse1066

    Jesse1066 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It could have a different pronunciation in English and Klingon. So neither is actually incorrect.
     
  12. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    nope - there is no correct english pronounciation for klingon, vulcan ... whatever word(s) !!

    there may be a common english (in this case american) mispronunciation for klingon, vulcan ... whatever word(s), though :D
     
  13. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    there is no american pronunciation for the german word kindergarten - there is one for the english loan word kindergarden
     
  14. Jesse1066

    Jesse1066 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Some words, place names especially, are radically different when anglicized. Mumbai/Bombay, Napoli/Naples etc. This can go for historical figures as well. Christopher Columbus is Cristoforo Colombo in Italy and Cristóbal Colón in Spain. Why couldn't Kahless be anglicized as well?
     
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  15. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    • want me to say neu jork?
    • because the guys talking about him are mostly klingons? so kirk could totally mispronounce him, but kling-OTs (adm gardener)?
    • ufp people are sure as hell polite enough to pronounce him properly? (just think what kind of hell broke lose if someone said 'trömp')
    names are different, btw. mailand (german) - milan (english) - milano (correct italian). they get ...ized. you wouldn't want to ...ize normal words - you make them loan words (like kindergart/den) or you pronounce them correctly

    whereas there might be different transliterations for petaQ (english memory alpha version) there is only one way to pronounce it properly
     
  16. Grendelsbayne

    Grendelsbayne Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Kahless is a name...
     
  17. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    it is but as i said kirk might mispronuonce him but klingons? we are talking klingons here not terrans. how many americans say avram linkholm?
     
  18. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    yeah, but as we have established, previous actors sucked at Klingon and simply mispronounced the name Kahless (or didn't care enough).
     
  19. fireproof78

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    Question-is Klingon not allowed to have dialects or different pronunciations? Because, I've studied some languages, and even ones like Hebrew have regional differences within that country.
     
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  20. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    good point. I have a hard time understanding people from Northern Germany, even though they allegedly speak the same language as me
     
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