Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"

[cooleddie74]

Practically every Klingon in this new series has a case of marblemouth. Maybe if they didn't walk around all the time with Fiddle Faddle stuffed in their mouths. I mean, come on.

Snack time comes later, guys. Didn't Kahless teach you anything other than to look for his light?

 

[Jack Watkins]

Practically every Klingon in this new series has a case of marblemouth. Maybe if they didn't walk around all the time with Fiddle Faddle stuffed in their mouths. I mean, come on.

Snack time comes later, guys. Didn't Kahless teach you anything other than to look for his light?

Kahlesh sounds like a Klingon fingerfood , not a Klingon figurehead. (*rimshot*)

 

[Prax]

They could just use voiceovers. I would just give them all Darth Vader voices.

 

[137th Gebirg]

IIRC, Tyler said "Kalesh" in one of his Voq awakening moments while saying the Kahless/T'Kuvma prayer, sans makeup. No excuses for marblemouthing that one, as there were no prosthetic teeth to get in the way.

I guess, after over 50 years of saying it one way (no "KahleSH" in "The Savage Curtain") they've decided it to do it another. I wonder what Mark Okrand has to say about it.

 

[XCV330]

one of the s sounds in Klingon is pronounced more like sh in the back of the tongue. he actually did it right.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I guess, after over 50 years of saying it one way (no "KahleSH" in "The Savage Curtain") they've decided it to do it another. I wonder what Mark Okrand has to say about it.

he would be pleased. it's the first time the actors get it right

 

[Longinus]

he would be pleased. it's the first time the actors get it right

But the pronunciation existed before the language was even created. So if if the name was assigned a Klingon spelling that would result a different pronunciation than one heard in the show, then that was a mistake.

 

[Jack Watkins]

All I know is that Klingonese was a lot more pleasant in the Berman era, when it was used sparingly. I wish they had the Klingons speak English when alone on their ships, with the audience understanding its translated for our benefit.

 

[Hythlodeus]

have we ever heard Klingons pronounce Khaless before thlingan hol was created? I only remember Starfleet officers and Excalbians

 

[137th Gebirg]

But the pronunciation existed before the language was even created. So if if the name was assigned a Klingon spelling that would result a different pronunciation than one heard in the show, then that was a mistake.

Exactly what I'm wondering.

have we ever heard Klingons pronounce Khaless before thlingan hol was created? I only remember Starfleet officers and Excalbians

Hmm...actually, no, come to think of it. I don't recall it ever being mentioned in any of the TOS movies and I think the first time it was mentioned in TNG was by Worf, after thlingan hol was invented. So, yes, it could be explained as an outworlder mispronunciation all this time.

 

[Jesse1066]

It could have a different pronunciation in English and Klingon. So neither is actually incorrect.

 

[oberth]

It could have a different pronunciation in English and Klingon. So neither is actually incorrect.

nope - there is no correct english pronounciation for klingon, vulcan ... whatever word(s) !!

there may be a common english (in this case american) mispronunciation for klingon, vulcan ... whatever word(s), though

 

[oberth]

nope - there is no correct english pronounciation for klingon, vulcan ... whatever word(s) !!

there may be a common english (in this case american) mispronunciation for klingon, vulcan ... whatever word(s), though

there is no american pronunciation for the german word kindergarten - there is one for the english loan word kindergarden

 

[Jesse1066]

there is no american pronunciation for the german word kindergarten - there is one for the english loan word kindergarden

Some words, place names especially, are radically different when anglicized. Mumbai/Bombay, Napoli/Naples etc. This can go for historical figures as well. Christopher Columbus is Cristoforo Colombo in Italy and Cristóbal Colón in Spain. Why couldn't Kahless be anglicized as well?

 

[oberth]

Some words, place names especially, are radically different when anglicized. Mumbai/Bombay, Napoli/Naples etc. This can go for historical figures as well. Christopher Columbus is Cristoforo Colombo in Italy and Cristóbal Colón in Spain. Why couldn't Kahless be anglicized as well?

• want me to say neu jork?
  
• because the guys talking about him are mostly klingons? so kirk could totally mispronounce him, but kling-OTs (adm gardener)?
  
• ufp people are sure as hell polite enough to pronounce him properly? (just think what kind of hell broke lose if someone said 'trömp')

names are different, btw. mailand (german) - milan (english) - milano (correct italian). they get ...ized. you wouldn't want to ...ize normal words - you make them loan words (like kindergart/den) or you pronounce them correctly

whereas there might be different transliterations for petaQ (english memory alpha version) there is only one way to pronounce it properly

 

[Grendelsbayne]

• want me to say neu jork?
  
• because the guys talking about him are mostly klingons? so kirk could totally mispronounce him, but kling-OTs (adm gardener)?
  
• ufp people are sure as hell polite enough to pronounce him properly? (just think what kind of hell broke lose if someone said 'trömp')

names are different, btw. mailand (german) - milan (english) - milano (correct italian). they get ...ized. you wouldn't want to ...ize normal words - you make them loan words (like kindergart/den) or you pronounce them correctly

whereas there might be different transliterations for petaQ (english memory alpha version) there is only one way to pronounce it properly

Kahless is a name...

 

[oberth]

Kahless is a name...

it is but as i said kirk might mispronuonce him but klingons? we are talking klingons here not terrans. how many americans say avram linkholm?

 

[Hythlodeus]

it is but as i said kirk might mispronuonce him but klingons? we are talking klingons here not terrans. how many americans say avram linkholm?

yeah, but as we have established, previous actors sucked at Klingon and simply mispronounced the name Kahless (or didn't care enough).

 

[fireproof78]

• want me to say neu jork?
  
• because the guys talking about him are mostly klingons? so kirk could totally mispronounce him, but kling-OTs (adm gardener)?
  
• ufp people are sure as hell polite enough to pronounce him properly? (just think what kind of hell broke lose if someone said 'trömp')

names are different, btw. mailand (german) - milan (english) - milano (correct italian). they get ...ized. you wouldn't want to ...ize normal words - you make them loan words (like kindergart/den) or you pronounce them correctly

whereas there might be different transliterations for petaQ (english memory alpha version) there is only one way to pronounce it properly

Question-is Klingon not allowed to have dialects or different pronunciations? Because, I've studied some languages, and even ones like Hebrew have regional differences within that country.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Question-is Klingon not allowed to have dialects or different pronunciations? Because, I've studied some languages, and even ones like Hebrew have regional differences within that country.

good point. I have a hard time understanding people from Northern Germany, even though they allegedly speak the same language as me