Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

[indranee]

Haven't read through the thread and have already graded it a 10. There aren't half or quarter grades so I had to, but my actual grade is 9.25. Took .75 off for minor points such as:

1) the obvious conflict of interest in Dr. Culber treating his partner Lt. Stamets, unless Culber is all of a sudden now the new CMO. I understand the whole "lower decks" scenario DSC is going for, but it's becoming a little tiresome to not see a CMO or a Chief Engineer being at least referred to (if not shown) by now.... it's not realistic, 2) They still have not been able to get a good flow with the spoken Klingon where Kol is concerned. Glad they moved to English halfway through the fight. I think this was the one main drawback with the actor and his character, because L'Rell (Mary Chieffo) does not seem to have that issue. But Kol is now gone so I'm not concerned all that much, 3) the fight between Kol and Burnham was rather prosaic, uninspiring, but one would expect that considering she's horribly outmaneuvered and basically stalling for time... still, for some reason, I expected a bit more in terms of the choreography, 4) I noticed Burnham set her communicator and phaser down before the fight with Kol. Did she collect them before the beam-out, because I don't remember seeing her do that. Or did the transporter beam automatically hone in on them and collect them? We've never had that precedent in Trek before so that would definitely be a canon violation because Kirk and his crew left many a communicator and phaser behind during beam-outs.

Notes/Positives:
-I really liked what they've done with Lorca here. Good, bad, strange.... he just keeps unfolding like a flower. I believe that as far as Trek captains go, he's quickly becoming the most complex.
-The microjumps were amazingly executed. Just magnificent. The entire sequence took my breath away. Wow.
-I sure noticed the hot young South Asian looking transporter guy
-The Lorca Override hah.
-The admiral (glad she's alive) is conveniently on her way to a medical base, and we can't wait to see what happens to Paul "Gary Mitchell" Stamets.
-Tyler is Voq is Tyler (IMO). Sleeper agent.

This is easily one of Trek's best cliffhangers. 9.25 subject to increase (or decrease) depending on what happens January 7, 2018.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Seinfeld finale with them all winding up in jail was pretty satisfying.

Frank Sinatra died the night of the Seinfeld finale. If any one person could have one-upped the final episode of one of the most popular TV series of the past thirty years it was Frank.

 

[cooleddie74]

See a lot of "no chemistry " comments re the relationship. What do you expect? One was raised on Vulcan. The other is suffering from PTSD. I wouldn't expect great romantic chemistry at this point.

Although for two people of such radically different backgrounds (even moreso if it turns out that Tyler is indeed Voq in disguise) it's not a bad depiction of two characters with awkward or traumatic life histories making an emotional connection during wartime. It's not the most convincing relationship in Trek by a longshot, but then Star Trek doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to establishing and developing believable and enduring romantic relationships (Miles and Keiko O'Brien being the biggest exception).

 

[Ensign Mas]

The sneaky trailer on youtube was hilarious.

Link?

 

[Guy Gardener]

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[Tim Thomason]

See a lot of "no chemistry " comments re the relationship. What do you expect? One was raised on Vulcan. The other is suffering from PTSD. I wouldn't expect great romantic chemistry at this point.

I am also of the belief that Tyler, whomever he may be, may have had psychological conditioning that forces him to pursue a relationship with Burnham. He isn't there to steal the secrets of Discovery or even sabotage the Federation war effort. He's there to obliterate, mentally and eventually physically, the slayer of T'Kuvma.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

I am also of the belief that Tyler, whomever he may be, may have had psychological conditioning that forces him to pursue a relationship with Burnham. He isn't there to steal the secrets of Discovery or even sabotage the Federation war effort. He's there to obliterate, mentally and eventually physically, the slayer of T'Kuvma.

There's an off-color joke to be made there...

...but I'll let Guy handle it.

And make the joke, too.

-MMoM

 

[Guy Gardener]

T'Kuvma died honourably in battle.

Even if Voq wanted to destroy her, that would not have been L'Rells plan, unless her connection to T'Kurma was a lot closer than we have been lead to believe. Engineering the battle of the Binary Stars would have required a lot of spies and intelligence, to put all those ships in position to attack each other, and start the war.

L'Rell may have been the brains behind the entire conflict, and T'Kuvma was her pawn along for the ride... If the sarcophagus ship had been broken for a while during T'Kuvma's youth, all the corpses on the hull must be mummified or the planet was cold, real cold, or the corpses spent a few decades rotting in an atmosphere.

The plan is to unify the houses, not destroy the humans, and... If T'Kuvma's death was part of L'rell's plan, what's a war without a few martyrs, then why would she bother with revenge on Michael?

 

[Mr. Nova]

Did anyone notice that when the Disco came out of the final spore jump, it appeared to split in two (almost like, ahem, a mirror image) before merging again? I don't think it usually does that, and could certainly be a clue to...something.

I noticed that and wondered if that debris could be related to that "refusion".

 

[cooleddie74]

T'Kuvma also died with five pounds of California Raisin makeup on his face and a mouth full of Fiddle Faddle. I don't know if that's a good thing even for a Klingon messiah.

 

[Tosk]

So when the Discovery gets back to her own place, what are the chances she'll arrive earlier than when she left? Some might say that Kol died a little easy (dramatically speaking), and I do wonder if that's because they knew they'd be "taking it back" before too long.

 

[cooleddie74]

A partial reboot of the timeline with entire days or even weeks of history being erased? It might be a convenient way to wipe some of the Klingon War from history and give the writers wiggle room to sweep unpopular crap under the rug.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But you'll end up with two Discoveries.

Temporal affairs will lock that shit down, because it's hard to prove that temporal/mirror refugees are not secretly very evil.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But you'll end up with two Discoveries.

Temporal affairs will lock that shit down, because it's hard to prove that temporal/mirror refugees are not secretly very evil.

Of course they're evil. That's just science.

 

[Mr. Nova]

But you'll end up with two Discoveries.

Temporal affairs will lock that shit down, because it's hard to prove that temporal/mirror refugees are not secretly very evil.

Let's please, please, PLEASE keep the temporal police out of Discovery!

 

[cooleddie74]

Of course they're evil. That's just science.

Goatees are the sign of bloodthirsty sociopaths.

 

[Tosk]

But what about Van Dykes?

 

[Ovation]

But what about Van Dykes?

Those are just fine. What’s really evil is when people call them goatees.

 

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[Nerys Myk]

But what about Van Dykes?

He's a National Treasure.