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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

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If new spaceships, aliens and planets don't cut it, then what would qualify as "boldly going"?

Exploration - exploring strange new worlds. Whereas this they lost the ship and were stranded on one planet. But as I said - if you read my statement - it did broaden the universe, seeing the space station, the alien planet etc. was good. Film 2 was just reshashing, it brought absolutely nothing new to the table.
 
I think what you're missing is without this sort of pacing, it wouldn't sell. Basically Beyond is an action movie, and should be treated as such (and perhaps compared to other ST action movies like FC... and Nemesis lol). I certainly like it much more than ID4.

Being an action movie lines like "couldn't they have just rented a planet somewhere" is supposed to suspend disbelief for the audience... one liners and visuals are king... if it was paced like a TV episode with exposition, the movie would be a total bomb. Maybe they could have made the alien girl a Reman or a Romulan and Krall's people Gorns, but then people would be complaining about bastardizing the originals... the fanservice basically comes from the transporter enhancers, the spatial torpedoes and pulse phasers, the MACOs, etc. it was obviously a concious choice to create something "exotic" again in the name of "action movie"...

The first two Abrams movies show that they can have action along with a pretty good story and it will sell. The first one managed to introduce all these reimagined characters and world, and even included the time travel hijinks. The second one told a pretty interesting story with Khan and Marcus where people could debate some of their actions. This one... tells a story about crashing on a mostly empty planet, rescuing the crew and that's it. It's the first one that's felt kind of unimportant. I am glad people enjoyed the movie though.
 
I'd agree, a change of heart wouldn't be realistic. Not a whole lot of Trek is realistic though. However, this is the second time a JJ movie has set me for an uplifting moment and reneged. In 09 near the end, I thought Kirk was gonna pull an "I won't kill today" moment and not finish off Nero. I actually thought for sure that was about to happen. Nope. That's fine.

The more I read, the more I see ppl disliking STID, though that one gains in my estimation. You didn't just have a bad guy pissed at earth/federation. Kirk chooses to capture rather than summarily kill Khan on Kronos. Khan was loyal to his peeps. The admiral had a reason for doing what he was doing. So yeah, that seems like a better plot than stop-the-super-scary-looking-baddie. ymmv
 
I felt it was a solid B, maybe moving up to a B+ after I watch it again. I agree with others that some of the action scenes turned out two dark and blurry to be clear. It did seem like a longer episode, especially when the crew figured out how to use a transmission to destroy the, up until now, indestructible drones (how many times have we seen something like that in an episode?). Towards the end of the movie, I thought for a moment they were going to redeem Thrall when he hesitated in the air tube. I think the generic super bad guy template is getting old and actors like Elba, Cumberbatch and Bana are not being fully taken advantage of. I also found myself being a lot more interested in how Thrall ended up who he became after they made his origins apparent. As well as why he and his remaining crew looked the way they did, how they acquired the ability to suck the life from others, details of the alien race that had vanished, etc, but maybe that's just my curiousity. I also expected the "super weapon" to seem a bit more ominous. It seemed to just float around near the end fairly harmlessly when activated and seemed to take forever to kill off Krall when he was exposed. That was a pretty big station it would be dispersed in so maybe it could self replicate? Krall's plan AND the superweapon seemed a little haphazardly conceived (rushed) but I'll just go with it.

I knew about the destruction of the Enterprise from the trailer, what got me was how such a tragic event (the lost of so many comrades and friends) seemed to be overcome fairly quickly by the survivors. It seems to me that based on the past two movies, spending 5 years as a LURP (Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol) in the Vietnam had a much higher survivablility rate than serving aboard the Enterprise for 5 years. Chances of making it through alive for the full mission has to be under 50% (if that). I know that a lot of the original episodes had the often expendable Redshirt but between the space battles of the last two films and the destruction of San Francisco . . . holy crap, did a lot of people die. I guess most movie goers these days are desensitized to mass destruction and loss of life. To me it was pretty shocking to see how many of the crew were killed either in space or later on the planet. You would think the survivors are going to need a LOT of grief counselling. This type of event would have a severe impact on any seasoned professional military (of which we are constantly told Starfleet Officers are not).

Not that I had much of a problem with it but once the artifact was logged in the Starfleet Archive, wouldn't it then make sense to unload these items whenever you reached the next starbase? Say some federation research team wanted to examine or study Starfleet Archive item VX-103829953 . . . isn't it a bit inconvenient when they are told that the item is currently aboard a starship exploring the fringes of known space? Can they just stop off at the nearest Federation Fedex location to ship that puppy back to civilization?

I liked the increase in humor from previous outings. I think that is key to expanding the movie to a younger generation. I thought the humorous side of The Voyage Home was a huge part of stabilizing the series back in the mid 80s. It is actually a pretty funny movie considering it is not a comedy. The interaction of Bones, Kirk, Spock, Scotty, etc, has historically allowed a lot of lighthearted moments to occur.
 
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I knew about the destruction of the Enterprise from the trailer, what got me was how such a tragic event (the lost of so many comrades and friends) seemed to be overcome fairly quickly by the survivors.

Well, this is a product that has its roots in the 1960's and where several episodes with death totals ended with everyone laughing.
 
My review, some spoilers and pics

As I sit down to write this "review" of Beyond I'm listening to the soundtrack for the first time on Spotify, and I think the sentiments it's evoking are basically the same for the movie. It has all the traits of the new films but adds in far more Trek "flavoring" which seems very familiar to fans and should satisfy them even more. Far from making it more like Guardians of the Galaxy, the movie went the opposite direction, making it for fans..something I wasn't really originally expecting but may also be effecting it's box office.

The 6 original films had a certain "feel", the Next Generation films had one film that felt somewhat like the older films, then 3 with their own tone. The JJ era began with a retro-TOS reawakening of the Roddenberry mission statement from the "Bible": action-adventure, but with a big budget, huge scale that couldn't have even been imagined with STTMP. Star Trek had come of age. No longer was it the bastard stepchild of the studio which was the product of complex cost-to-profit ratios that made the movies feel like glossier tv episodes. No one can say that the first two movies do not have differences beyond all the callbacks to TOS however. In the roughly 2 hour run-time, the entire world of Trek we saw in 100s of episodes has to be distilled down to 4 hours of film. That's the entire backdrop of this universe. It's ripe for all sorts of nit-picking just outside of the story. As such, the movies took awhile to get more quiet and intimate...to have our characters pair off, talk with each other more and really work as a team. So despite two great films in this new "trilogy", with the two over-arching themes being Kirk's development and Spock's trials and tribulations, the films were simply two very well made stand-alones. Beyond brings them both together.

The development of Kirk is happening just as I predicted it: We have the brash, immature Kirk in ST09; the more seasoned but still petulant Kirk who acts on impulse in STID, who makes mistakes but learned from them at the end of the movie; to finally the more developed Kirk who would appear to us to be Kirk from the TV show. This is the exact impression I get from Kirk in Beyond. For all intents and purposes, he starts out in Beyond as the diplomat from certain TOS episodes, negotiating a treaty. As with STID, we have a mission...and exploration again! His scenes with Bones recall similar soul searching from other movies and Tv episodes..he has gotten past the excitement of exploration and now, despite the technology and volume on a huge starship, he is feeling the oppression of being alone in deep space and encountering numerous dangers that take a toll on one's mindset: a theme that runs parallel to the other captain from Beyond: Balthazar Edison. This recognition near the end of the movie dramatically serves to strengthen our empathy with another captain who has gone rogue, but really is just a step or two away from the captains we identify with. Pine is now uncannily TOS Kirk.

Spock's story is less relevant to the film overall, but provides us with further character development as well as memorializing an icon of pop culture. That this film took time to both have a scene on Yorktown and also later in the film is to it's great credit. Justin Lin's direction emphasizing Spock's "aloneness" as he came to grips woth Spock's death is terrific. Quinto's Spock has a relevatory moment towards the end ofthe film as he realizes he doesn't want to leave the Enterprise for New Vulcan. It's one of his best acting moments.

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Other characters are well served and contribute to the plot moving forward but the real fun is watching them work together, this has really become a family and it appears the off-camera "team" gets along way better than the original actors. This comes across well. Of obvious note, McCoy gets more screen time here and is the heart and soul of many a scene.

Jaylah is a welcome addition to the characters, and it's nice to see another female character take center stage. She's a renaissance woman! Engineer, ninja, tattoo artist, music fan.

The plot here is not complex..it IS a revenge story so again with these things, it's the telling that's more important than the details. Is it any more or less compelling than Khan? Nero? Shinzon? Khan lost an empire and a wife. Nero, an entire world. Shinzon was emo. Krall couldn't adapt to a new way of life. He existed at the time of a great paradigm shift from a regional space culture with Earth centrism, to an interplanetary UN(ironically these points are more relevant than ever with devisive conservative movements all over the world trying to break up factions of human beings. The message of unity in this movie is so refreshing and a metaphor for the UFP!). He seemed to go along with it all, but when his ship crashed, and no one came to help him and his crew, he went off the deep end. His mind twisted by alien tech, lonliness and philosophical differences. Despite being able to leave at some point, his twisted mind led him to stay and plot against the UFP.

Unlike some reactions to the film, I think this background to an "alien" character actually helps the film. When I saw Idris' face, I knew there would be more depth to the madness. To my surprise, Krall was in many more scenes of the film than expected, contrary to reports he disappeared in parts of the film..he is there throughout and very much an acting presence.

Another thing I like about Krall and the Swarm..I'm just so happy it's not Klingons or Romulans and that both their appearance and tech are totally different. The attack on the Enterprise was much longer than I anticipated and a much better set-piece sequence than even the commercials let on. Never have we seen movement through and around the ship with such detail..crewman running through corridors seen from outisde, panning, sweeping shots of relative positions of what is occurring. Yes we've seen ship destruction before, but again how was it accomplished? Surely this is better than any similar scenes we've seen before.

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So we have terrific character work, a good message and a good "villain". Does it pay off? Well there is a "MacGuffin". That's not a dirty word, and of course the popularizer of the term: Alfred Hitchcock, used them more than a few times. It serves well enough to provide character motives for the rescue mission and for everyone meeting up at Yorktown at the climax.

As someone pointed out on Twitter, Beyond is the first time there is a plot where a black man has been defeated by white rappers. Oddly enough, in my review of "The Swarm" on the Voyager forum, I declared simply jamming the frequency between Swarm ships was too easy a resolution to the puzzle, and of course they used the same solution here, but this time with VHF 20th century classics. This is one of the weaker points of the movie though the result is an epic chain reaction. There probably is very little science behind ships bursting into flames from sound waves unless it somehow affected the mechanism used to generate them as they shut off abruptly.

The final scenes in Yorktown were more compelling. Krall's fighter chase was thrilling with some of the most spectacular visuals in Trek history, and the scenes of the fight and chase in lower gravity were something closer to what I would have liked for Kirk's death in Generations if the fight had boiled down to fisticuffs as it did.

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Miscellany:

Justin Lin was a great choice for director. By comparison, the outisde "action" director Stuart Baird really infused very little style or nuance into Nemesis despite making the best looking film since STTMP. He is no one trick pony.

The "look" of the movie was darker and more muted but still had a technological glow to it. We had some of the best scenes of Starfleet and Federation world building ever. The cinematography was probably the best of any ST movie.

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Despite a different FX company, the movie continued and probably exceeded the very real looking, solid CGI work that we saw in Into Darkness. I might give a slight edge to the spaceship work of ILM, but everything else was probably better.

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The "Easter eggs" were fantastic, and definitely increased my enjoyment of the film because of the 50th anniversary. My favorite was possibly the nod to "Corbomite Maneuver" and the unexpected byproducts of exploration..complete surprise of the scale of a situation.

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The aforementioned soundtrack. It's simply the best one since the 1980s. Nostalgia fuel.

The 1701-A! Similar, but different. They chose a good way to show us. I liked this scene way better than the end of STIV, which disappointed me.

My only decision...I rated it an "A" on the poll, but I feel it's on parallel with ST09 in overall quality, so I had to decide if it will replace that as my number 1 film in Star Trek history. At this time I'm going to put it there, though I'll make a more concrete decision after I see it in the theater again.

1. STB
2. ST09
3. STID
4. STII
5. STFC
6. STIV
7. STNEM
8. STIII
9. STVI
10. STINS
11. STTMP
12. STGEN
13. STV
 
B-

I was hoping for more from a Pegg script, but it wasn't much of a story, pretty much more of the same.

I thought Elba's motivation was pretty shaky, as was much of the logic. Were his men all crew from the Franklin ? How come a crashed ship could lie semi-derilict for many years and fly without much in the way of repairing ? I'm sure (as usual) more issues will occur to me.

There were some nice character moments and Jayla was O.K., I'd like to see her again. Urban and Quinto were standouts again, Pine seems to have grown into the Kirk role somewhat, Saldana was OK, and of the three I really didn't like in their parts, Cho was fine, Yelchin was alright and Pegg was less annoying. A marginal improvement I'd say.

And...

...there was also the real satisfaction of seeing that awful Enterprise destroyed !
 
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I enjoyed Beyond which is saying a lot considering I'm not really of a fan of the prior two movies. The movie had a lot of nice touches that I appreciated, and it had more quiet character moments than the other films. The character interactions are what made this movie work.

My frustration with the movie, is that it tries too hard to make this an ensemble. Trek is at its best when it focuses on individual characters. When you have to work as many characters into the movie as possible, you don't have as much time to dig deeply into any of them. People keep saying that Beyond feels like an episode, but if it was an episode, it would have been focused on just a few characters like just Bones & McCoy, or just Kirk & Krall.
 
I gotta say I was a bit let down. Yes, it was fun and a decidedly different tone from the previous two. But plot-wise, we ended up with the same trope: maniacal baddy (from a different time) with superhuman strength intent on destroying the Federation. I didn't see Krall's reasons for hating the Federation as that different from Admiral Marcus', either. "We need war, not peace". Check.

Oh well. Looking forward to number 4. Perhaps Chris Hemsworth will play a time-traveling George Kirk who is intent on destroying the Federation.
 
Anyone else's head canon replacing Krall with Crawl and thinking it's an old nickname from an epic night of drinking and debauchery?
 
I can't believe how some fans have "overthought" the Franklin's place in the timeline...some theories and thoughts have been quite silly. Here is a new article outlining the same backstory I postulated here on the BBS last week...I know people will still nitpick "Yes, but..." But I am posting the article to bring clarity to the conversation,

http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/heres-where-the-franklin-fits-in-the-star-trek-timeline/

It was built before Enterprise NX-01. Not much more to say.
 
Anyone else's head canon replacing Krall with Crawl and thinking it's an old nickname from an epic night of drinking and debauchery?
I just assumed he was a distant descendant (or maybe just a fan) of Diana Krall and decided to use that as a 'nym. ;)

Likewise "Kalara" had a buried memory of vacationing in a certain town in West Bengal which provided her alias. And "Manas" was really into classical Kyrgyz epics.
 
I didn't see Krall's reasons for hating the Federation as that different from Admiral Marcus', either. "We need war, not peace". Check.

You put a soldier on the front lines and spend years, even decades, teaching him to kill the enemy. More often than not in our world there are soldiers who were given a pat on the head and a release papers with no adjustment, or ability to adjust, from being a trainer killer to normal every day person.

In Krall's time, he was a soldier who killed and battled alien threats - then the Federation happened and without much more than a pat on the head the man who became an alien killer was given a ship and told to be normal. Much like the argument that the government and military failed real world veterans through the era's, the Federation's formation effected Krall the same way.

There's far more logic to him than there is Admiral Robocop who's motivations hinted at different things.
 
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