Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

[BigJake]

I'm going to have to look for an explanation I may have missed when I see it again, but the question for me is why Edison's crew couldn't have gotten the ship back into space themselves in the time after the crash.

An additional factor that I didn't think of earlier: there have been ships crashing on the planet, thanks to Krall's activities, since the Franklin (which was probably the alpha shipwreck) went down. It's implied a considerable number of them. When Edison and his crew crash-landed, there weren't other vessels around to scavenge spare parts from. By the time Jaylah was stranded, there clearly were. Edison and his crew had to bet fully on the alien tech already present to get off-planet, and by the time they really learned how to use it the Franklin was an obsolete hulk to them.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Spoiler: My take on the Franklin and her crew

I've only seen the film once. But I got the impression most of the Franklin's crew was dead. And mostly likely those that survived didn't have the engineering expertise to get her back into space. I'm pretty sure I saw only 2 other former crewmen from the Franklin besides Krall. I thought all the other members of his army were drones.

You are correct, Edison mentions 3 surviving crew members and the drone army in his logs.

 

[BillJ]

Spoiler: My take on the Franklin and her crew

I've only seen the film once. But I got the impression most of the Franklin's crew was dead. And mostly likely those that survived didn't have the engineering expertise to get her back into space. I'm pretty sure I saw only 2 other former crewmen from the Franklin besides Krall. I thought all the other members of his army were drones.

I see someone has been a Star Trek fan for a long time and understands what that entails.

 

[Kor]

Spoiler: My take on the Franklin and her crew

I've only seen the film once. But I got the impression most of the Franklin's crew was dead. And mostly likely those that survived didn't have the engineering expertise to get her back into space. I'm pretty sure I saw only 2 other former crewmen from the Franklin besides Krall. I thought all the other members of his army were drones.

Yes, see my post earlier with the spoiler tag.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

Is Beyond the perfect movie? Probably not. But I do think it was the perfect movie for Star Trek's 50th Anniversary.

 

[ConRefit79]

Is Beyond the perfect movie? Probably not. But I do think it was the perfect movie for Star Trek's 50th Anniversary.

I wonder if we'll ever learn what Orci had in mind. He was the person they originally planned to write and direct the 3rd film, right?

 

[BillJ]

I wonder if we'll ever learn what Orci had in mind. He was the person they originally planned to write and direct the 3rd film, right?

His co-writers are supposedly working on Star Trek 4. So I wonder if they are revamping the rejected script from 3?

 

[ancient]

Scotty gave some mildly technobabble excuse that terminal velocity was needed for the thrusters to kick-start, and that would then allow then to reach ESCAPE velocity (although this is not mentioned -- I hope Pegg wasn't confusing the two).

I saw it as akin to rolling a stalled car downhill to kick-start the engine.

Yeah, this is exactly what happened. IRL, a ship *in orbit* can build up speed using a sling-shot.

In the movie it seems like they were substituting a long drop for a runway, as if the ship were a plane that needed to take off by building up speed. That only makes sense if the Flanklin is actually using atmospheric lift to fly, and even then, there is no reason to not start the engines immediately instead of waiting for 'terminal velocity' - which is a completely arbitrary velocity.

 

[Kor]

I saw it again, and I still feel that Elba's acting and star power weren't used as fully as they could have been.

I wish we would get a Trek movie where the villain dominates the story the way the Joker dominated The Dark Knight.

Kor

 

[Relayer1]

Yeah, this is exactly what happened. IRL, a ship *in orbit* can build up speed using a sling-shot.

In the movie it seems like they were substituting a long drop for a runway, as if the ship were a plane that needed to take off by building up speed. That only makes sense if the Flanklin is actually using atmospheric lift to fly, and even then, there is no reason to not start the engines immediately instead of waiting for 'terminal velocity' - which is a completely arbitrary velocity.

Thank you !

Drivel...

 

[BillJ]

Drivel...

Waits for scientific papers that have proof that going really fast around the Sun sends a ship into time warp...

 

[Relayer1]

Waits for scientific papers that have proof that going really fast around the Sun sends a ship into time warp...

I don't have a problem suspending disbelief with a bit of fanciful science fiction. I do have an issue with something demonstrably idiotic using even basic science.

How many of you would have been happy with Scotty stating, 'Aye Cap'n, but we'll need to sprinkle magic pixie dust on the warp core before she'll start !'.

 

[BillJ]

How many of you would have been happy with Scotty stating, 'Aye Cap'n, but we'll need to sprinkle magic pixie dust on the warp core before she'll start !'.

We haven't been that far away from it many times over the years. At least that would've been less aggravating than much of the technobabble we got.

 

[seigezunt]

I don't have a problem suspending disbelief with a bit of fanciful science fiction. I do have an issue with something demonstrably idiotic using even basic science.

How many of you would have been happy with Scotty stating, 'Aye Cap'n, but we'll need to sprinkle magic pixie dust on the warp core before she'll start !'.

Well, that's it, isn't it? It has to have an acceptable level of believability, and it doesn't for you, but does for me.

Isn't pixie dust made out of red matter?

 

[Relayer1]

We haven't been that far away from it many times over the years.

Maybe not, but you can't exactly let it slide by when they rub your nose in it like that.

Anyhow, I spent way too long discussing mental retcons after ST2009. Enough !

 

[BillJ]

Anyhow, I spent way too long discussing mental retcons after ST2009. Enough !

I've been doing that for forty years.

 

[ancient]

All I know is that if a giant microphone parks in orbit & projects sound waves thru space, the oceans will evaporate for some reason. That's proper science.

 

[Amaris]

Maybe they didn't believe they could bring it to terminal velocity to make orbit? Scott may have made some adjustments based on his expertise that the original Franklin engineering team simply didn't know about to make it possible to reach terminal velocity?

Agreed. Scotty has a 23rd century working knowledge utilizing the "horse and buggy" technology of the Franklin's time. Combine that with their idea to essentially give the ship a jumpstart by rolling it downhill (a la our AMC Gremlin when I was a kid), and it ended up working. I'm also convinced that Sulu is the best damned pilot in Starfleet.

 

[BillJ]

AMC Gremlin

My Aunt had one of those! It was brown. The color was appropriate.

 

[Amaris]

My Aunt had one of those! It was brown. The color was appropriate.

Ours was a vaguely snot green. The vent would occasionally shoot out feathers.