Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

[Amaris]

Then how could Edison be involved with the Xindi without being on Enterprise? That's the problem.

Also, and not to put too fine a point on it, we're in an alternate reality, where the timeline has experienced a ripple effect all the way up and down from Nero's intrusion on that reality. Dates, among other things, may have been shifted somewhat.

 

[starmike]

Not sure I agree about the front AND back ripple effect. That's never come up before.

The other problem is the registration number: NX 326. Is it the 326th ship? The 26th of the 300 series? If so, why reset at NX-01?

If they has just said something about it going warp 6 instead of 4, then there wouldn't be any question, but it just nags me.

Bottom line - Edison shouldn't be captain of a warp 4 ship after fighting the Xindi.

 

[Amaris]

Not sure I agree about the front AND back ripple effect. That's never come up before.

The other problem is the registration number: NX 326. Is it the 326th ship? The 26th of the 300 series? If so, why reset at NX-01?

If they has just said something about it going warp 6 instead of 4, then there wouldn't be any question, but it just nags me.

Bottom line - Edison shouldn't be captain of a warp 4 ship after fighting the Xindi.

More info on the alternate reality: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Alternate_reality
As for naming conventions, those rarely make any sense whatsoever. The Enterprise, for example is NCC-1701. The A, B, C, D, and E are all NCC-1701, even though they are different generations of vessels.

 

[Franklin]

To think Pegg and Jung made extensive use of Memory Alpha and apparently heard form Trek geeks -- sorry, historians -- for advice, and still apparently got stuff "wrong" writing in a new universe with a "blank slate."

 

[starmike]

More info on the alternate reality: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Alternate_reality
As for naming conventions, those rarely make any sense whatsoever. The Enterprise, for example is NCC-1701. The A, B, C, D, and E are all NCC-1701, even though they are different generations of vessels.

That really has nothing to do with it. We've had ships of different generations named "Enterprise" in the real world.

 

[starmike]

To think Pegg and Jung made extensive use of Memory Alpha and apparently heard form Trek geeks -- sorry, historians -- for advice, and still apparently got stuff "wrong" writing in a new universe with a "blank slate."

I think they needed a continuity person (*cough me cough*). You can search the info all you want but they have to draw the lines correctly.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

My point is the ship did it's warp 4 record before NX-was build, but put only into active duty during the Romulan War when every ship available was needed.
Note that it's armanents were on the level of what NX-01 had when it was launched.
The fact that it was never upgraded to phase cannons and photonic torpedos likely means, it wasn't capable of supporting that gear.
But once up and running, having survived the war they just kept it flying.
The only problematic thing is the relative high registry, but since when have those ever made sense?

 

[starmike]

My point is the ship did it's warp 4 record before NX-was build, but put only into active duty during the Romulan War when every ship available was needed.
Note that it's armanents were on the level of what NX-01 had when it was launched.
The fact that it was never upgraded to phase cannons and photonic torpedos likely means, it wasn't capable of supporting that gear.
But once up and running, having survived the war they just kept it flying.
The only problematic thing is the relative high registry, but since when have those ever made sense?

True. I still don't understand why the Constellation model in "The Doomsday Machine" wasn't made to read "1710" since "1710" hadn't been used on-screen.

I'm not trying to make a Big Deal out of it, just wondering if there was something I missed. I'll just chalk it up to a script glitch and move on

 

[BillJ]

Then how could Edison be involved with the Xindi without being on Enterprise? That's the problem.

Who says he wasn't on the Enterprise at some point in his career?

 

[BillJ]

My thoughts on the Franklin...

Circumstantial evidence isn't canon. Maybe Starfleet never made the Warp 4 engine available to the public? Maybe the public never knew of its existence? If it was the first Warp 4 ship, maybe it was upgraded at some point to Warp 5 specs?

She was obviously constructed by a different company than the NX-01.

 

[I am not Spock]

It must be hard to come up with a movie which satisfies both the hardcore and the casuals, but I think they've done it with this one. This one had a perfect balance , to me, between action adventure for the summer blockbuster non fan crowd, and Trek for the hardcore fans . A

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I was not clear in my last post.

The Gagarin Radiation Belt was mentioned in a first season episode of Star Trek: Enterprise.

It is mentioned again in Star Trek Beyond. It is the location where the Franklin disappeared.

Registries are not sequential in this timeline. The Enterprise was the newest ship when she was launched in 2258. Her registry is lower than the Newton (NCC-1727) and the Armstrong (1769). I do not know the method by which registries are assigned in any of the Star Trek universes, so, save for the occasional incident in which a starship is shown to have more than one registry (like the Yamato which had four registries in a single year (NCC-1305-E/24383/71806/71807)), I am not troubled by registries being out of sequence.

 

[M-Red]

It's easier to just chalk it up to a character making a mistake about historical information.

Ask a a current naval officer which came first -- the Model A or Model T? Even some of the best and brightest would doubtlessly answer incorrectly. They're skilled and talented people but they're not historians.

Same situation here with Starfleet personnel discussing century old propulsion systems. Made a small error.

 

[Cyke101]

I'm just going to stick with the idea that Edison served on the NX-01, only because the mental image of Idris Elba punching Future Guy in the nose is too good to pass up.

 

[starmike]

Who says he wasn't on the Enterprise at some point in his career?

That's not what I'm implying. HE said he fought the Xindi. You couldn't do that without being on the Enterprise.

 

[LJones41]

I rated it at "B+". I found the villain's motive a little shaky. Nor was I thrilled with the Paul Greengrass style of film editing. But I thought it was still a lot better than the two movies directed by Abrams (which I disliked). It was pretty good in the end.

 

[RapidoTrains]

I LOVED it. It finally felt like Star Trek, and not some comic book action hero summer blockbuster flick. There was intelligent conversation, emotion, plot, and only one scene in which someone falls over a precipice and saves himself with one hand. (Usually there are several such ridiculous scenes.)

As this is the first Trek movie in years to feel true to the television series and original Trek movies and as it is the first in years to encourage brain activity in its audience, it will doubtless do poorly at the box office.

I gave it an A+.

 

[Amaris]

That really has nothing to do with it. We've had ships of different generations named "Enterprise" in the real world.

Indeed we have, but their registry numbers have been different. That they keep this registry number means they may use a different numbering system than we're even aware, and that something as simple as a higher number meaning a newer ship isn't necessarily so.

 

[starmike]

Indeed we have, but their registry numbers have been different. That they keep this registry number means they may use a different numbering system than we're even aware, and that something as simple as a higher number meaning a newer ship isn't necessarily so.

They use the registry system called "marketing"

 

[Amaris]

They use the registry system called "marketing"

Now we're getting into the real numbers.