SNW Season 5 In Development

[Dukhat]

Fair enough.

Although I can't resist jumping onto the Batman discussion and pointing out that, back in my day, Julie Newmar turned into Eartha Kitt on the very same BATMAN series and I'm not sure anybody complained that this "violated canon" or came up with elaborate fan theories explaining that they were actually half-sisters or whatever.

The Adam West series didn't have 50+ years of sequels, prequels and movies for anal-retentive fans like myself to obsess over its canon and continuity.

 

[Dukhat]

I never said that. I would NEVER say that.

My apologies if I misunderstood you.

 

[Yistaan]

Oh well at least April is still human. I believe Yeoman Colt turned into a spiky alien in Discovery: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Colt , and if we're supposed to believe that Colt was "always" a spiky alien, one wonders how the Talosians intended on breeding her with Pike.

Personally I assume Yeoman Colt found Krall's life-draining tech and used it on a halpless spiky alien sometime between 'The Cage' and her Discovery episode

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh well at least April is still human. I believe Yeoman Colt turned into a spiky alien in Discovery: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Colt , and if we're supposed to believe that Colt was "always" a spiky alien, one wonders how the Talosians intended on breeding her with Pike.

Personally I assume Yeoman Colt found Krall's life-draining tech and used it on a halpless spiky alien sometime between 'The Cage' and her Discovery episode

Or they aren't the same person.

 

[Yistaan]

The Adam West series didn't have 50+ years of sequels, prequels and movies for anal-retentive fans like myself to obsess over its canon and continuity.

It did actually have quite a few sequel comics, including one which revealed that Joker raided Wayne Manor, Alfred died during the raid, and Batman killed Joker in a fit of rage and then quit being Batman out of shame. These comics also merged West's Batman universe with Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman show.

The animated sequel movies, including one with William Shatner voicing Two-Face, didn't get quite that dark.

 

[Dukhat]

Or they aren't the same person.

I don't believe that alien was ever referred to as 'Yeoman Colt' in any on-screen dialogue.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh well at least April is still human. I believe Yeoman Colt turned into a spiky alien in Discovery: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Colt , and if we're supposed to believe that Colt was "always" a spiky alien, one wonders how the Talosians intended on breeding her with Pike.

Personally I assume Yeoman Colt found Krall's life-draining tech and used it on a halpless spiky alien sometime between 'The Cage' and her Discovery episode

We don't know Pike's yeoman's name, to be pedantic on a canon point.

 

[Firebird]

Growing up watching M*A*S*H, I got used to a three-year war lasting eleven seasons with Christmas coming four times, Father Mulcahy being played by two different actors, Radar being flanderized from weirdo scrounger to cheeky teenager, and Harry Morgan playing two different characters one season apart.

Sometimes, a televised cigar is just a cigar.

 

[Yistaan]

Growing up watching M*A*S*H, I got used to a three-year war lasting eleven seasons with Christmas coming four times, Father Mulcahy being played by two different actors, Radar being flanderized from weirdo scrounger to cheeky teenager, and Harry Morgan playing two different characters one season apart.

Sometimes, a televised cigar is just a cigar.

Suddenly 7 seasons of the Clone Wars fitting into 3 years doesn't seem that implausible.

 

[fireproof78]

The stupidity of the Jedi during that 7/3 year war continues to defy plausibility though.

 

[trekfan_1]

Wesley is fine. No one has asked him to play the lead so why should I expect the lead here?

That's what I mean. He's fine for SNW in a supporting role but not sure as a lead in new venture. That's what I meant and whar I was talking about ( potential spinoff)

 

[trekfan_1]

Pike in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as Pike from 'The Cage.' Spock in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as Spock from TOS. Chapel in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as Chapel from TOS. M'Benga in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as M'Benga from TOS. Uhura in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as Uhura from TOS. T'Pring in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as T'Pring from TOS. Robert April in SNW doesn't seem at all like the same person as Robert April from TAS.

So why can't Kirk from SNW seem not at all like Kirk from TOS?

He doesn't need to be . But there needs to be some gravitas /screen presence even if its bubbling/ subtle . IMO, actors like Mount, Pine, Shatner have that. Kirk is iconic, and preferably you need a version of Kirk that has the Kirk basic essence and also stands out in a crowd. Different is fine as Mount's performance is different than Hunter 's but his performance is still at a pretty high level. . Wesley's feels like a supporting actor level of performance which is fine for SNW. He's ok but I can probably rattle off a dozen characters/actors that had a lead level performance even in a guest shot, 1 one and done role.

Opinions will very but if I would hazzard to guess, overall people are "fine" with his portrayal. But I think most people expect better than fine for such an iconic character like Kirk.

And even Wesley's is getting better with each appearance, I Just don't get the vibe he's becoming a standout that can carry a series . I'm not seeing too many news articles, blogs, word of mouth, that are singleing him out as a great Kirk. Peck yes. Wesley, not so much. But I'm fine with him in SNW as a secondary character.

 

[fireproof78]

That's what I mean. He's fine for SNW in a supporting role but not sure as a lead in new venture. That's what I meant and whar I was talking about ( potential spinoff)

I'm not sure either but I'd give Peck a chance and think Wesley would ride to the occasion.

He hasn't just been asked to play Prime Kirk.

 

[HotRod]

That's what I mean. He's fine for SNW in a supporting role but not sure as a lead in new venture. That's what I meant and whar I was talking about ( potential spinoff)

He's already been a lead in a series that ran longer than any Trek series.

 

[BillJ]

He's already been a lead in a series that ran longer than any Trek series.

From what I've seen of Wesley, I'm not sure he's Kirk to me. Reminds me too much of Jim Carrey doing Kirk impressions on In Living Color.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeoman Colt is never named in The Cage, in either the credits or dialogue. The name comes from the script.

I don't believe that alien was ever referred to as 'Yeoman Colt' in any on-screen dialogue.

Yeah, she's only identified in the end credits.

Not even Memory-Alpha considers them the same character.

 

[fireproof78]

Memory-Alpha doesn't even consider them the same character.

Reasonable given the limited information we have on the characters.

 

[HotRod]

From what I've seen of Wesley, I'm not sure he's Kirk to me. Reminds me too much of Jim Carrey doing Kirk impressions on In Living Color.

I've never got that comparison. Beyond a somewhat similar facial appearance, I just don't see any similarities in their performances.

 

[Dukhat]

I've never got that comparison. Beyond a somewhat similar facial appearance, I just don't see any similarities in their performances.

Neither do I. I think that’s a pretty unfair judgment of Wesley’s portrayal.

 

[fireproof78]

Wesley has a much smoother demeanor to him. Charismatic without being over the top.