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It probably would be extreme to have a decline that went on for that long. However, they could introduce themes in Picard that will resonate in Discovery.
DS9 never mentioned Voyager. On the flip side, while we see DS9 in the first episode of VOY, there's no mention of the Dominion War until "Message In a Bottle" and all the EMH Mark 2 has to say about it is, "long story." They didn't want to get into it. When Chakotay tells Torres what happened to the Maquis -- the most direct reference to events VOY made to DS9 -- he said the Cardassians got help by a "species from the Gamma Quadrant".
On the whole, DS9 and VOY were kept pretty separate. Which makes sense because they took place on opposite ends of the Galaxy. It'll be the same with DSC and PIC, except the difference will be centuries.
If PIC references something that will lead to DSC, they're stuck with it for 800 years in-universe. If DSC references something from PIC, you risk spoilers or you potentially lock PIC into a certain direction. It's better that they don't reference each other.
And I'd say that while there's a lot of overlap, PIC is reaching out to a slightly different crowd than DSC. DSC wanted to get TOS Fans, Kelvin Fans, and people who overall wanted something besides the Star Trek made from 1987 to 2005. Whereas PIC is taking dead aim at the people who miss 1987-2005 Star Trek, especially TNG, and is trying to rope them in. Even though they've still updated the style of the series.
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Pretty sure Garth just means the story.
Concepts overlapped, but plot points really didn’t.
There was also USS Bellerophon, same class starship as Voyager. They were able to use Voyager sets and CGI model for this.
As we've seen in history, though, some heroes, ideas and movements have their roots in things that happened 1,000 years ago or more. PIC could introduce a character, group or idea that becomes a symbolic rallying point by the time Discovery arrives in the future. Not saying they should do that, but it'd be an option.
It was actually very easy to keep the different series separate from one another; it was too much work for the writers to keep abreast of developments that were going on just across on the studio lot. Indeed, RDM probably would have left Trek after DS9 had he been better informed of the culture in the writers' room--the very big facts about the different series went unnoticed. Perhaps with fewer episodes, Picard and Discovery could (though arguably should not) have a high degree of coordination.
With the same registry number too.
They could perhaps namedrop someone like Picard, and hint at his role when Romulus was destroyed as being pivotal for a eventual membership of the Romulans in the Federation somewhere down the line.
In the 24th Century there is a bad Romulan wig option.
It has a different registry on the hull.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20190212032410&path-prefix=en
Or do you mean on set somewhere?
Looks like she's being promoted to Admiral.Nah -- A situation likethis calls for Captain Georgiou.
The joke being that they use a stock shot from Voyager in the episode resulting in the Bellerophon having the same registry as Voyager.
This has always been my problem with Discovery beyond the crappy writing/pacing, it's clearly written by Twitter Blue Checkmark Liberals who think Obama/Clinton was the peak of human civilisation and MSNBC and the NYT are the peak of political discourse and can not conceive really of any society or discourse that goes beyond that.
The fact that Discovery S2 went full into flat out cheering Liberal hawk interventionist regime change championed by the likes of Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power absolutely confirmed by suspicions from the lack of vision in S1.
Majel Barrett said at one point that Roddenberry sympathised with Communism and I honestly think that is very likely the case probably starting in the 70s when Marxist analysis had a resurgence in US progressive activism when you look at the politics of TMP and TNG, there was clearly a Automated Luxury Communist outlook to those works that clearly went beyond Liberalism and if you read the TMP novelisation, you can see Roddenberry also had very radical views on gender and sexuality as well which again, went well beyond Liberalism.
I knew S3 was going to be a fallen Federation/Rebuild plot line, because it plays straight into this delusional worldview that moderate Liberals have that Trump is some wild aberration and uniquely awful President and the US has collapsed under him and we need to restore the US to it's former perfect moral good glory which it was before 2016.
As you say, It should have been about expanding the Federation and even going beyond what even the Federation was. One of the really interesting ideas in TMP novelisation is the New Human evolution that I've always wanted mainline Trek to explore.
Excuse me! He's a very stable genius with great and unmatched wisdom... lol... get your "facts" straight.
What makes it delusional is that the US was good or functional before Trump. Under Obama you had the expansion of the war on terror into multiple countries like Yemen, Libya, Somalia which has resulted in the US basically supporting genocide and turning Libya from the country with the highest HDI in Africa into one where women and black people are sold in open slave markets, you had cops killing black people all over the country and getting away with it, Wall Street becoming richer than ever while inequality and the Opioid epidemic spiralled out of control, ICE massively expanded doing the same crap it's doing now but because Obama nobody bothered reporting on it, the crackdown on Whistleblowers and Journalists, expansion of Drone Strikes, DAPL and cops literally blowing the arm off a protester with a grenade etc etc.
Don't even get me started on Bush Jr, Bush Jr was a worse President than Trump in pretty much every conceivable material way, who is responsible for millions of deaths and displacement but now has been rehabilitated by MSNBC, NYT and gets to hang out with the Liberal elite because he wasn't an idiot on Twitter.
That is the real crime of Trump as well, it's not that he's a racist, narcissistic sociopath or is throwing people in camps, it's that this giant moron somehow became President over KWEEN and he's an idiot on Twitter. If Trump was well spoken I doubt much of the liberal media class would have all that much problem with him.
The US was a garbage fire before Trump, The Libyan intervention did more damage to US Geopolitical standing than anything Trump has done and the US is going to be a garbage fire after Trump unless, oh look, some sort of radical positive vision to deal that goes beyond the standard discourse is embraced by whatever Democrat wins the next election, something that should be shown in a certain... Sci-fi franchise?
