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Spoilers Season 3 Comic-Con reveals

DIS is a deeply regressive show.

They can't imagine the universe moving on in 1000 years, building new institutions, moving past the Federation itself, building more bridges.

The best they can come up with is a Trumpian "Make the Federation Great again!". A deeply conservative appeal to the past.

Fitting there aren't any new aliens or civilisations on sight - DIS is exclusively discovering the already familiar. This is exactly the self-referential lore-galore I feared once I heard of the time jump.
Wow, you can determine all of that from one brief trailer. Amazing! :guffaw:
 
The way they write Discovery, the entire reason the Star Trek universe exists is because of Michael Burnham, which is laughably bad writing.
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Yeah, I guess you feel Trek was better when the (in Universe) 70 year old White Man Captain saved the Star Trek Universe from an Anti-Time eruption he created (See TNG's series finale "All Good Things".) ;)
 
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they've got you hanging on to every single bit of info that comes out about the show!
Indeed! I think that at best, the content in trailer covers only a couple episodes. The first trailer from season two only revealed what was in the first episode, so I expect this first trailer for season three to do much the same.
 
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Yeah, I guess you feel Trek was better when the (in Universe) 70 year old White Man Captain saved the Star Trek Universe from an Anti-Time eruption he created (See TNG's series finale "All Good Things".) ;)

You mean after we had 178 episodes of buildup?

At the end of the day, the Discovery writers haven't proven to me they are capable of pulling off anything other than short vignettes.
 
You mean after we had 178 episodes of buildup?

At the end of the day, the Discovery writers haven't proven to me they are capable of pulling off anything other than short vignettes.
/yawn - I already enjoyed the first 30 or so episodes more than the majority of the DREK Berman and Braga shoveled out in their 18 year Trek tenure. Braga made some Dr. Who plots look more plausible by comparison. ;)
 
/yawn - I already enjoyed the first 30 or so episodes more than the majority of the DREK Berman and Braga shoveled out in their 18 year Trek tenure. Braga made some Dr. Who plots look more plausible by comparison. ;)

Have to agree to disagree. I'd rather watch a Braga written episode than more Michael Burnham monologues any day of the week.

I do hope that the Discovery writers come up with a great plot and execution of the plot. The majority of the show to date has me rather doubtful they can pull it off.
 
Other than the second half of last season not making that much sense, my big issue with Discovery is that unlike earlier Trek, individual episodes seldom have any identifiable themes or messages. At the end of the episode I'm just left feeling like a bunch of stuff happened. I'm not really left thinking "this episode wanted me to consider issue X" or "wow, that was a great comedic romp" or something of the sort.

Of course, maybe I'm not being fair, and it's just really, really hard to do this with a fully-serialized modern story structure. I mean, I can't come up with individual episodes that have meaning on Game of Thrones, or The Expanse, or whatever. It's just that variety in terms of storytelling is one of the key things I love about Star Trek - that it can go from straight action-adventure, to talky message episode, to focused character study, to romance of the week. And I feel like this style really can be integrated into serialization - basically by taking what DS9 did up another notch, or looking at what Discovery tried to do in the (far superior) first half of the second season.
 
Due to the serialized nature of the plot, I look far more for moments of the characters rather than just whole episodes. There are lots of great moments that I really enjoy seeing the characters go through. They don't necessarily have "X" message but are informative of what the characters are taking away.
 
You mean after we had 178 episodes of buildup?...
Don't forget, he also had one of the most powerful beings in the universe "helping" him.

Other than the second half of last season not making that much sense, my big issue with Discovery is that unlike earlier Trek, individual episodes seldom have any identifiable themes or messages. At the end of the episode I'm just left feeling like a bunch of stuff happened. I'm not really left thinking "this episode wanted me to consider issue X" or "wow, that was a great comedic romp" or something of the sort...

I totally agree with you. Many shows have gone too far with serialization and have sacrificed good storytelling and meaning for plot and momentum. I thought the first half of season 2 did a good job balancing episodes with the overall story arc, but it fell down in the second half.
 
"More stuff happened" to characters I don't really like or find interesting except Saru. Old Saru: most DSC episodes, to me

Now all I can do is compare it to the Pike Trek we DONT get. Awesome. Im trusting Chabon with PIC. At least there are characters and actors I like.
 
Well, yeah.
That's is exactly what trailers are supposed to do: Give a brief description of what you will get.
Sort of. They're not meant to give you a detailed look at the upcoming season. You can't possibly draw all those conclusions you did from that trailer.

Trailers are supposed to provide strategic glimpses that are designed to hook your attention. While in general they give a general sense of what you'll get, the overriding priority is to get your interest. Being accurate and providing many details are lower priorities. Much lower.
 
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