Spoilers Season 3 Comic-Con reveals

[Lord Garth]

Going from the trailer I noticed some key things.

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Georgiou in uniform again. Michael in her gold command uniform again. My theory is that in hopes of rebuilding Georgiou gets made an Admiral and Michael a captain.

Hmmm.

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If she's been with Future Starfleet for a year, before Discovery is found, then I could see that. What I'm wondering about is: why didn't they find Discovery that long? Burnham must've told them what to look out for. Unless things are pretty bad for the Federation, then it would make sense. You'd think Starfleet would decommission a ship from 1,000 years ago automatically, no matter how state-of-the-art it might've been when it was new. So the Federation must've fallen pretty far.

 

[NeoStar9]

I'm skimming straight passed them now. Two seasons of arguing was enough. If something really stands out, then maybe I'll say something, but otherwise... Not my problem anymore.

There were already a couple of posts where I thought about responding to, that I would've responded to before, but then I thought, "Naaahhhh.... "

Blocking (did a lot of that on twitter) or ignoring post is how I've started handling things in the last several months. It's not worth it when people say the same negative things over and over again. Especially since we're going into season 3! Many people doing it have long since move past the point where I even give them the benefit of the doubt they're operating on good faith.

Like donner I'm done with the Star Trek reddit.I might peak in there once in a while but that's it really. I don't use facebook anyway. On twitter my block list has gotten pretty long so the at least the various hashtags have been more enjoyable to read. Another forum I frequent I just end up blocking a few people that move beyond a simple "show isn't my taste" to being insulting and abusive.

We're going into year 3 of the show. Year 4 of the production. I don't have the desire to tolerate this stuff anymore.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Gene Roddenberry must be spinning in his grave.

For using his ideas?

Normally people use that kind of talk for when they do things he WOULDN'T do.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the idea is humans are suppose to evolve ito Q like beings at some point. Also it isn't that humans don't have flaws but they don't have petty flaws and they try to solve them in mature ways. I don't Discovery has ever fully captured that vision. Like the Abrams movies and even TOS to lesser degree the show has always felt very modern without much forward thinking in vision. Unlike those other shows and movies it has lacked a sense of fun which mostly comes down to Burnham being one of those energy vampires that sucks out any fun soon as she shows up. So it lacks the fun of TOS,Kelvinverse,DS9 or the naive but pleasant warm fuzzies of TNG. All it has is Trump era cynicism and rage that nobody likes. Most likely a reflection of the show being created and ran like a corporate product instead of art. The fact the show has a interesting cast has been it's one good feature. They have elivated the material. Except Burnham,Tyler,Spock and the Klingon lady. Jason

 

[thribs]

Michael is their last Hope? They are truly doomed.
Where’s Dylan Hunt when you need him?

 

[XCV330]

I wonder if that random South Asian guy in a suit who was waiting around for Michael is actually a hologram or something. It would explain why he was just waiting around not doing much.

He works for Western Union. A few of the folks in his office had a running bet about this..

 

[Jayson1]

Michael is their last Hope? They are truly doomed.
Where’s Dylan Hunt when you need him?

He was teaching college kids aitheism untill one of his students proved God was real. Got so angry didn't see the car God used to take him out. Was pretty Stuborn with his aitheism seeing how his dad was Zuess and has literall seen the afterlife. Jason

 

[SJGardner]

I for one still don't understand how a story about rebuilding utopia cannot be optimistic and idealistic, especially if we get to see Discovery and its crew serving as the spark to relight the flame of the Federation from its embers. I've long believed that this kind of message is actually what today's audiences would need and appreciate; if I think back of how I thought about TNG over the years, its utopian message of how humanity collectively solved all its problems and conflicts in the backstory and now Earth was a joyful, Kumbaya-singing paradise gradually changed from a positive 'we can do better, there's hope for a better future' to a downright unrealistic escapism. Right now, I would think, it's about time we are given something that actually tells us that no matter how bleak things seem around us, even if we think all efforts to make the world a better place have already failed, there's still hope and don't you dare believe you're not enough to contribute to it, because small individual efforts add up to become collective tidal waves of change.

 

[CorporalClegg]

But given the show's DNA, those 'small individual efforts' will most likely resort to subterfuge, duplicity, and violence.

It may make for better drama and more exciting television. But it renders the 'message' disingenuous at best.

 

[Jayson1]

I for one still don't understand how a story about rebuilding utopia cannot be optimistic and idealistic, especially if we get to see Discovery and its crew serving as the spark to relight the flame of the Federation from its embers. I've long believed that this kind of message is actually what today's audiences would need and appreciate; if I think back of how I thought about TNG over the years, its utopian message of how humanity collectively solved all its problems and conflicts in the backstory and now Earth was a joyful, Kumbaya-singing paradise gradually changed from a positive 'we can do better, there's hope for a better future' to a downright unrealistic escapism. Right now, I would think, it's about time we are given something that actually tells us that no matter how bleak things seem around us, even if we think all efforts to make the world a better place have already failed, there's still hope and don't you dare believe you're not enough to contribute to it, because small individual efforts add up to become collective tidal waves of change.

It would be but I don't trust this writing staff. You can already see them making the same mistake of making Burnham into a savior yet again. It is hard to tale a story that requires mulitiple characters that are just as important as Burnham to tale that story. You need scope and you don't get it because they only care about one character being able to be imporant. Jason

 

[Rahul]

DIS is a deeply regressive show.

They can't imagine the universe moving on in 1000 years, building new institutions, moving past the Federation itself, building more bridges.

The best they can come up with is a Trumpian "Make the Federation Great again!". A deeply conservative appeal to the past.

Fitting there aren't any new aliens or civilisations on sight - DIS is exclusively discovering the already familiar. This is exactly the self-referential lore-galore I feared once I heard of the time jump.

 

[NCC-73515]

He works for Western Union. A few of the folks in his office had a running bet about this..

The Doc's alive!

 

[Tomalak]

When did everyone start saying "Trill symbiote"? In DS9 it was always "symbiont".

 

[Lord Garth]

The best they can come up with is a Trumpian "Make the Federation Great again!". A deeply conservative appeal to the past.

Very respectfully, I think that's not the case. If the Federation doesn't exist anymore or has fallen off a cliff, I think someone would want to restore something that stood for the unity of worlds.

For the record, I've voted Democrat in every Presidential election since I've been old enough to vote. So don't even try to paint me into a particular corner. Just look at my signature. I'll cut-and-paste it for you...

"If you choose to fail us, we will never forgive you." -- Greta Thunberg

And try telling the people who complain non-stop about "SJWs" and the "lack of white male representation" that DSC is Pro-Trump.

All it has is Trump era cynicism and rage that nobody likes.

Once again, Trump doesn't have anything to do with this. BSG, which was pretty dark and cynical, came out over a decade before Trump was inaugurated.

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You guys are just trying to stir the pot. On purpose, I might add. Knowing today's climate, linking anything to Trump is by definition trying to piss people off intentionally. Don't pretend you don't know it.

 

[Vger23]

Very respectfully, I think that's not the case. If the Federation doesn't exist anymore or has fallen off a cliff, I think someone would want to restore something that stood for the unity of worlds.

For the record, I've voted Democrat in every Presidential election since I've been old enough to vote. So don't even try to paint me into a particular corner. Just look at my signature. I'll cut-and-paste it for you...

"If you choose to fail us, we will never forgive you." -- Greta Thunberg

And try telling the people who complain non-stop about "SJWs" and the "lack of white male representation" that DSC is Pro-Trump.



Once again, Trump doesn't have anything to do with this. BSG, which was pretty dark and cynical, came out over a decade before Trump was inaugurated.

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You guys are just trying to stir the pot. On purpose, I might add. Knowing today's climate, linking anything to Trump is by definition trying to piss people off intentionally. Don't pretend you don't know it.

People stir the pot and try to piss others off intentionally in this forum???

Now you're just being silly.

 

[ScottJ85]

The best they can come up with is a Trumpian "Make the Federation Great again!". A deeply conservative appeal to the past.

I really don't see how DSC is conservative or regressive in any way. Back in S1, nationalism and jingoism were the real enemy, from T'kuvma's motivations right down to Lorca's rhetoric the moment they crossed over into the mirror universe. To the point where there were quite a few people who felt that DSC was a direct attack on Trumpism.

 

[Rahul]

Very respectfully, I think that's not the case. If the Federation doesn't exist anymore or has fallen off a cliff, I think someone would want to restore something that stood for the unity of worlds.

For the record, I've voted Democrat in every Presidential election since I've been old enough to vote. So don't even try to paint me into a particular corner. Just look at my signature. I'll cut-and-paste it for you...

"If you choose to fail us, we will never forgive you." -- Greta Thunberg

And try telling the people who complain non-stop about "SJWs" and the "lack of white male representation" that DSC is Pro-Trump.



Once again, Trump doesn't have anything to do with this. BSG, which was pretty dark and cynical, came out over a decade before Trump was inaugurated.

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You guys are just trying to stir the pot. On purpose, I might add. Knowing today's climate, linking anything to Trump is by definition trying to piss people off intentionally. Don't pretend you don't know it.

Without going too much into your American red/blue- divide:

DIS is not a pro-Trump show. Because it's not hateful.

It's socially kinda' liberal: Doesn't matter wether someone is black, white, male, female, straight, gay, cybernetically enhanced etc. What matters is the individual. No matter how disappointed I am - I can't hate this show, there is no malice in intention of the creators in display.

What is visible is a lack of effort and imagination though. It's not promoting Trump, but it's promoting a lot of Trumpian policies, purely because it lacks the knowledge of alternatives.

People that know nothing about power always put their emphasize on hard power, never soft power. People that know nothing about technology always put the emphasize on use, never on research and exploration.

This as a show does not promote putting children in cages. But at the same time, it's incapable of imagining a future without borders either. It is - like the vast majority of mundane SF - the very current mainstream political situation, frozen in forever, for 200 years, 1000 years, no societal change, except for the parts that are already deeply ingrained in Trek lore.

 

[Rahul]

To see the Star Trek universe, 1000 years later, not having moved an inch forward - in fact, backwards, is extremely disappointing.

There would have been thousands of story opportunities for a universe that has moved past the Federation. Like, how can you integrate the Federation into a Galactic organisation, without losing what made the Federation so special in the first place?

Instead, they opted for the exact same boring dystopia every other SF franchise ever predicts the future as, and which Star Trek was specifically designed to avoid originally in the first place...

sad.

 

[Rahul]

Slight change of topic:
I absolutely love Burnhams new hairstyle!

 

[Tomalak]

Agreed on the hair.