Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

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  1. XCV666

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    Or Odo wanted some quality time with Quark-head Kiragram
     
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    You saying we're finally gonna get the dirt on Spot's reassignment surgery?
     
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    I probably shouldn't have laughed, but I did genuinely :lol: at that. (The fact Chuckles is one of the very few Trek characters I actually dislike probably has a fair bit to do with it.)

    I've an idea I read that Frakes picked up a back injury years ago, and that led to the chair attack thing.

    I'm not quite sure what you're saying (it's early and I haven't had anything like enough caffeine). Maddox and Jurati were exes, so Seven and Bjayzl must be as well? Or do I have that wrong? I genuinely don't care if they are or not; it makes no significant difference to the quality of the episode, or anything else for that matter. As others have pointed out the fact we're even having this discussion - and that the scene is just as effective whether Seven and Bjayzl are ex-friends or ex-lovers - says a lot about the quality of the writing, acting and direction of the episode. IMO that's a good thing.

    Except that a bit of cardboard is still more animated and interesting than Chuckles. (If Janeway / Chuckles :barf2: ever somehow becomes "canon" I'll have to give up on Trek. Bad enough that it's in the books.) Seven can / should do much, much better.

    That's something I've never thought of before (and probably should have). The rest of the discussion aside, I reckon there really should be such a protocol. The creepiness factor alone demands one.
     
  5. rfmcdpei

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    Love it.

    This said, well, why mightn't Data have been interested in same-sex relationships, as another way of being human? Now that we finally know for certain that being non-straight has not been edited out of the human genome in the Star Trek future, why might that not be something he might be interested in?
     
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    Seven was having coitus with a hologram of Chakotay, and "weeks" later when she had her cortical limiter removed, the Doctor still thought that HoloChakotay was in the picture.

    Voy Body and Soul.

    The Doctor and Seven sharing a body, were arging over whether they wanted to seduce a man or or a woman to effect their escape.

    Megan Gallagher?

    Megan Gallagher the subject of this stuff before, in DS9 Invasive procedures.

    She wasn't sure if she was into her boyfriend Lionel Luthor any more after the stolen Dax Simbiont was stapled to his soul.
     
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    That only proves that the EMH had NO idea about how humans work. Dangerous thought
     
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    It would explain her complete lack of sexual chemistry with anyone other than Janeway :p
     
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  9. Samhain Who Cares

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    I gathered Bjayzl and Seven were friends, or at least Seven was led to believe. The criminal mastermind sought out Borg parts to sell in the black market, so she took advantage of Seven naïveté and befriended her to gain her trust.

    Watching this show as well as Discovery makes me think humanity isn't all that evolved.
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    It would take weeks, or months for Bjazl to gain trust through friendship.

    Take her puppies out, and dummies will die for her, before they know her name.

    Hmmm?

    Tuvok was on a spy mission impregnating Chakotay's Maquis cell in the Voyager Pilot?

    Who did he bang?
     
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  12. Hythlodeus

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    the cardboard
     
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    So, Chakotay?
     
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    that's what I wrote.
     
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    I wasn't sure, since cardboard has more depth.
     
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    That's Tuvok's problem, not ours
     
  17. I was Mephisto All Along!

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    My feeling is they were vague enough so she can be whatever the fans want her to be. If they want to say they were lovers nobody is going to say no to that and also the same if they were just friends. Basically the ole Xena and Gabby subtext angle which honestly feels old school in this day and age. I mean if Seven was gay or bi there is literally no reason anymore to not just say so in a very clear way.


    Jason
     
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    Other than it can come across as clunky and awkward as dialog.
     
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  19. I was Mephisto All Along!

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    To be honest I don't think that matters as much as it use to when it comes to sending a message of inclusion. I remember when Culber was "killed" on "Discovery" the showrunner made it very clear online he would be back and their romantic storyline was not over. Which is fine only you basically just tossed away any mystery over him coming back. It's one of the issues you still have with LGBT characters. Still a need to add extra purpose to them by making them culturally important instead of just treating like your random standard characters.

    Jason
     
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    I live for the day LGBTQ+ characters are treated as standard characters.
     
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