News Kurtzman’s contract extended

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  1. Mogh

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    Either would apply. I'm certain there must have been some scenes without any of the three (maybe Mary Wiseman was doing the emoting instead?).
     
  2. The Wormhole

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    Oh wow, a complaint about too much crying on Disco. Hot take.
     
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  3. Tuskin38

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    99.9% of the series?
     
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  4. Quinton

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  5. fireproof78

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    Which what? Characters I engaged with in Kurtzman's era or Berman's era?
     
  6. Mogh

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    Berman's; you'd said most were unappealing save for one or two exceptions?
     
  7. fireproof78

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    Sisko, Bashir and Ro. Tom Paris sometimes and Torres occasionally.
     
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  8. Mogh

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    Paris and Torres are interesting choices; certainly often finishing well behind the easy fan favourites of Janeway and Seven. Is it their troubled less-than-perfect histories you find appealing?
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    No, they just feel more real.
     
  10. JirinPanthosa

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    I liked Paris but he's far from the most realistic of characters. He's probably the biggest Mary Sue candidate other than Wesley in the entire franchise, and swings wildly between overachieving nerd and rebellious bad boy.

    The most realistic Voyager character is probably the most boring one, the Eternal Ensign.
     
  11. Nerys Myk

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    Reality must suck.
     
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  12. JirinPanthosa

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    Have you ever been promoted for being quietly competent?
     
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  13. Nerys Myk

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    That's pretty much my brand.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    That's not realistic.
    Yes.
     
  15. Skipper

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    My point is that in virtually every job you get there is always a dose of "luck". We do not live in a universe where personal interactions are commanded by Newtonian mechanics. I don't understand the need to point this out in this case.
     
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  16. Sci

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    Oh hey, a nominal Star Trek fan whose fandom is actually about using ST as a way to make themselves feel superior to others on the basis of the idea of fandom as a form of exclusivity. There but for the grace of God go I.

    "Movie to movie?" There haven't been any new ST movies in the modern era of Trek. Star Trek Beyond premiered over a year before DIS S1.

    Couple of times. Arguably ENT did it first, in that scene where Trip has to climb robe from Columbia to Enterprise while they're both at warp. But to me, that seems like the sort of thing where you might as well complain about seeing shuttlecraft fly and make sudden turns at high speeds: Since it's do-able on a TV budget now, they're going to periodically pull tricks like that for spectacle. No different from doing crazy shuttle piloting or spaceship battles.

    It's fair to say that PIC S1 (not 2) featuring an apparently antagonistic super-A.I. came too soon after DIS S2's Control, but it's really not fair to say that PIC S1 "focused" on the super-A.I. It was one element that didn't appear and was not referenced until the finale. The focus was much more on Picard's relationships as he tried to make amends for his self-imposed exile.

    The only part of this claim that makes any sense to me is Seven appearing in PIC S1.

    "Crying, whooping, and screaming through every scene" is just pure bullshit. Sonequa Martin-Green is an amazing actor who has figured out how to depict a character who went from repressing almost all her emotions under Vulcan teaching to learning to open up, express herself, heal from childhood trauma, and become a leader.

    And quite frankly, I'm getting damn tired of seeing the same charge of over-acting leveled against black actors (Avery Brooks, anyone?) for making the kinds of acting choices that white performers make on a regular basis without such claims.
     
  17. wayoung

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    What's with all the sudden replies & quotes of convos from months ago? I have a bunch of them in my notifications. @1001001 (sorry, picked a mod randomly) is this happening to lots of people? Is their some rule against dredging up long dead stuff?
     
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  18. Mogh

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    Alright Mr Kurtzman, you can drop the pseudonym :D

    I'll ignore the usual stuck-up nerd rudeness up and until the part where I think you pretty much accused me of racism, which I doubt is permissible here and certainly not on a heady mix of inductive reasoning and a dearth of evidence. Care to retract?

    As you broached the topic, Star Trek has had tremendous actors of all ethnicities and genders. Sonequa Martin-Green is not one of them. Neither is Mary Wiseman, for that matter. Find me a regular Starfleet officer as hysterical and childish as either, and I'll reconsider.
     
  19. Lord Garth

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    No. 25 seasons of Rick Berman was enough. It was passed time for him to go. Eventually that time will come for Alex Kurtzman too... just not right now. ;)

    Anyway, it's not really the person up at very top who truly makes the show, it's the showrunner. What's wrong with the way Michelle Paradise does things? #next_level
     
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  20. Lord Garth

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    BTW, guys, I've known @Mogh a long time. He's okay. If I say he's jake, he's jake. We just disagree about Disco.
     
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