Voq didn't have a house and he wasn't related to Kor. My guess is L'rell might be welcoming him into her house?
Klingon change for season 2?
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Voq didn't have a house and he wasn't related to Kor. My guess is L'rell might be welcoming him into her house?
Yeah. And it was fucking awesome. What's your point?And their ideas aren’t? They had the ship spinning for crying out loud.
Yeah. And it was fucking awesome. What's your point?
No more lame than a ship stretching like a rubber band and disappearing into a big flash of light.
Nah. It's way more awesome than that. Silly GIFs aside, that effect is one of the most visually stunning in franchise history.
So, on the Klingons....
Maybe, 3000+ years ago, they all looked like the season 1 Klingons we were shown with a totally different biological and technological aesthetic than we're familiar with.
1800~ years ago, the Rihansu pass by Earth and take what they think to be more rightfully there's by cultural appropriation and create the Romulan Star Empire over the next 2-3 centuries. Early Klingons pass by but the two make it clear they are not welcome, a stalemate emerges for the next nearly 2000 years.
1600~ years ago they're invaded by the Hur'q. Who begin genetically modifying the species to a new more 'acceptable' aesthetic closer to human culminating in the creation of a greatly enhanced warrior, Kahless. The entire species is now expected and forced to looked and act more like him, and many do.
1500~ years ago, Kahless, having reflected on the matter or met with the ancestors of T'Kuvma and being shown the ruins of the Black Fleet by surviving bestials, creates a blade based on their heritage, the Bat'leth with the help of a warrior who can forge weapons from lava itself, Fehk'lur. The two lead a rebillion to overthrow and slay the Hur'q, destroying them and creating many of the ancient Klingon myths.
The bestial Klingons have suffered too great a population drop to form a functional government of their own, allowing the ENT/TNG style Klingons to mostly run their species, with a joint leadership.
Over time, most of the galaxy comes to develop warp drive and meet only the TNG style Klingons, the older race remaining in the shadows. They build an Empire so they may never be conquered again, amassing a large amount of space around them in the Alpha and Beta quadrants. For over a thousand years, their expansion is slow as they regain a population and use Hur'q augmented technology to create a new look, not a popular move to all.
2016 C.E. Earth calendar, the Klingons meet the Vulcans. Despite the "Vulcan Hello", they continue to run their space as they see fit, but like the Romulans they're expansion into the Alpha quadrant is cut short, creating buffer zones against further agression.
2153 C.E. Klingon scientists operating by a dispensation from a small group inside the High Council capture Augment DNA to try and reconcile some of the Hur'q genetic modification, by 2154 creating the human like Klingons. The virus spreads over the next few decades, leading to a century long silence from the Empire (Battle of the Binary Stars).
2257 C.E. Displeased by the Empire having removed itself from the galactic stage, capitulated to the Vulcans, Humans, Andorians, allowed Earth to not only survive the Romulan War but create the Federation, a rogue group of bestials look for the burial ship of their ancestors. An army that tried to rise up against the Hur'q and were slaughtered, the Sarcophogus Ship and the rest of the Black Fleet. Given Kahless was an ally, he left a beacon to recall all true warriors in time of dire need by his people. They shave their heads in devotion (similar to Romulan mourning) and don the original armour the later versions are based on.
Discovery season 1-2. The war goes badly, as the bestials still retain a lot of power in the 24 Houses but haven't fought a war in their lifetime. There is a shakeup in their leadership as lesser Houses step forward and try to quell infighting (L'rell) taking back their more normal appearance, and hair.
2259-2269 C.E. Klingons continue to court war, determined to destroy the Federation. They realise that even though the dispised Augment Klingons look too human and are "too weak", they are far smarter and better generals. Field promotions are granted, making nearly the entire war fleet manned by them. Thinking either they win, or the "problem" solves itself.
A second war is attempted, stopped by the Organians and Captain Kirk. Returning defeated, the Augmented are mostly culled, those who aren't or are granted some mercy later undergo corrective regression to change their appearance (Kor, Kang etc) and possibly avoid public shame and execution.
Control of the Empire defaults to the TNG style Klingons day to day. Though with the loss of personnel, half-breeds start filling roles never thought of before (Prime movie era/Kelvin shock troops) and eventually reach positions in the Council (Gorkon). Though the High Council stops all outright conflict, fearing another Hur'q situation forced on them by the Organians, lesser Houses pursue Kirk in stolen Romulan enhanced new generation ships, hoping to exact some para-legal killing for his part in their defeat (Kurge/Kurrd).
Subspace weapons development continues on Praxis by the same para-legal means and devastates the moon and sends radiation and dilithium particulates into Kronos' atmosphere, spreading with a 40-50 year time limti before it reaches critical oxygen depletion and ozone damage. Gorkon posthumously succeeds in bringing about the First Kithomer Accords. His daughter runs the Empire for many years, the one time in history half breeds enjoy power.
In order to cement a smooth transition of power, her successor signs the Second Kithomer Accords that expand the ban of subspace weapons to other signatories such as the Romulans and Tholians.
Control of the Empire wavers, conflicts continue with the Federation by much older and longer lived Klingons who remember the wars. But the threat of Romulan attack grows a lot more after Tomed in 2311, and the Kithomer Massacre by the new Praetor of the time. Who saw the Accords as selling out the Star Empire to humans. His intention to create a whole new generation of warships, the Warbird, is finally tested on the Klingon civilian colony of Narendra III where the Enterprise C's sacrifice helps a reshuffle of the High Council in humanity's favour, edging out the last remaining bestial influence in the Empire. They remove themselves from power, leaving control entirely to TNG Klingons as humans start to visit the Council chambers more often (Picard etc) and are largely never seen again.
Maybe, 3000+ years ago, they all looked like the season 1 Klingons we were shown with a totally different biological and technological aesthetic than we're familiar with.
1800~ years ago, the Rihansu pass by Earth and take what they think to be more rightfully there's by cultural appropriation and create the Romulan Star Empire over the next 2-3 centuries. Early Klingons pass by but the two make it clear they are not welcome, a stalemate emerges for the next nearly 2000 years.
1600~ years ago they're invaded by the Hur'q. Who begin genetically modifying the species to a new more 'acceptable' aesthetic closer to human culminating in the creation of a greatly enhanced warrior, Kahless. The entire species is now expected and forced to looked and act more like him, and many do.
1500~ years ago, Kahless, having reflected on the matter or met with the ancestors of T'Kuvma and being shown the ruins of the Black Fleet by surviving bestials, creates a blade based on their heritage, the Bat'leth with the help of a warrior who can forge weapons from lava itself, Fehk'lur. The two lead a rebillion to overthrow and slay the Hur'q, destroying them and creating many of the ancient Klingon myths.
The bestial Klingons have suffered too great a population drop to form a functional government of their own, allowing the ENT/TNG style Klingons to mostly run their species, with a joint leadership.
Over time, most of the galaxy comes to develop warp drive and meet only the TNG style Klingons, the older race remaining in the shadows. They build an Empire so they may never be conquered again, amassing a large amount of space around them in the Alpha and Beta quadrants. For over a thousand years, their expansion is slow as they regain a population and use Hur'q augmented technology to create a new look, not a popular move to all.
2016 C.E. Earth calendar, the Klingons meet the Vulcans. Despite the "Vulcan Hello", they continue to run their space as they see fit, but like the Romulans they're expansion into the Alpha quadrant is cut short, creating buffer zones against further agression.
2153 C.E. Klingon scientists operating by a dispensation from a small group inside the High Council capture Augment DNA to try and reconcile some of the Hur'q genetic modification, by 2154 creating the human like Klingons. The virus spreads over the next few decades, leading to a century long silence from the Empire (Battle of the Binary Stars).
2257 C.E. Displeased by the Empire having removed itself from the galactic stage, capitulated to the Vulcans, Humans, Andorians, allowed Earth to not only survive the Romulan War but create the Federation, a rogue group of bestials look for the burial ship of their ancestors. An army that tried to rise up against the Hur'q and were slaughtered, the Sarcophogus Ship and the rest of the Black Fleet. Given Kahless was an ally, he left a beacon to recall all true warriors in time of dire need by his people. They shave their heads in devotion (similar to Romulan mourning) and don the original armour the later versions are based on.
Discovery season 1-2. The war goes badly, as the bestials still retain a lot of power in the 24 Houses but haven't fought a war in their lifetime. There is a shakeup in their leadership as lesser Houses step forward and try to quell infighting (L'rell) taking back their more normal appearance, and hair.
2259-2269 C.E. Klingons continue to court war, determined to destroy the Federation. They realise that even though the dispised Augment Klingons look too human and are "too weak", they are far smarter and better generals. Field promotions are granted, making nearly the entire war fleet manned by them. Thinking either they win, or the "problem" solves itself.
A second war is attempted, stopped by the Organians and Captain Kirk. Returning defeated, the Augmented are mostly culled, those who aren't or are granted some mercy later undergo corrective regression to change their appearance (Kor, Kang etc) and possibly avoid public shame and execution.
Control of the Empire defaults to the TNG style Klingons day to day. Though with the loss of personnel, half-breeds start filling roles never thought of before (Prime movie era/Kelvin shock troops) and eventually reach positions in the Council (Gorkon). Though the High Council stops all outright conflict, fearing another Hur'q situation forced on them by the Organians, lesser Houses pursue Kirk in stolen Romulan enhanced new generation ships, hoping to exact some para-legal killing for his part in their defeat (Kurge/Kurrd).
Subspace weapons development continues on Praxis by the same para-legal means and devastates the moon and sends radiation and dilithium particulates into Kronos' atmosphere, spreading with a 40-50 year time limti before it reaches critical oxygen depletion and ozone damage. Gorkon posthumously succeeds in bringing about the First Kithomer Accords. His daughter runs the Empire for many years, the one time in history half breeds enjoy power.
In order to cement a smooth transition of power, her successor signs the Second Kithomer Accords that expand the ban of subspace weapons to other signatories such as the Romulans and Tholians.
Control of the Empire wavers, conflicts continue with the Federation by much older and longer lived Klingons who remember the wars. But the threat of Romulan attack grows a lot more after Tomed in 2311, and the Kithomer Massacre by the new Praetor of the time. Who saw the Accords as selling out the Star Empire to humans. His intention to create a whole new generation of warships, the Warbird, is finally tested on the Klingon civilian colony of Narendra III where the Enterprise C's sacrifice helps a reshuffle of the High Council in humanity's favour, edging out the last remaining bestial influence in the Empire. They remove themselves from power, leaving control entirely to TNG Klingons as humans start to visit the Council chambers more often (Picard etc) and are largely never seen again.
Or, you know, "because TV."
She doesn't like anything she isn't in or paid a salary for. Hell, when sjhe went to do the god awful ENT Finale "This Ain't The Valentine" (aka "These Are The Voyages") - her one comment to a reporter asking for a comment on all the fans protesting the cancellation of ENT and asking for a 5th season was (and I'm not kidding) - "Where were they when TNG was cancelled?"
If she isn't getting paid, she could care less.
Don't ruin the only time they've been interesting in 52 years....
Oh please the ST: D Klingons are closer to TNG Klingons than TOS Klingons were to ST:TMP Klingons (and IMO even the whole Augment Virus doesn't cover the difference between ST:TMP Klingons, STIII:TSFS Klingons, STIV:TUC Klingons and ST:TNG Klingons - so sorry but the "They're different races" idea has been around for decades prior to this and is probably the best explanation around.
As an interstellar empire it makes more sense too.Oh please the ST: D Klingons are closer to TNG Klingons than TOS Klingons were to ST:TMP Klingons (and IMO even the whole Augment Virus doesn't cover the difference between ST:TMP Klingons, STIII:TSFS Klingons, STIV:TUC Klingons and ST:TNG Klingons - so sorry but the "They're different races" idea has been around for decades prior to this and is probably the best explanation around.
Yeah, very John Ford's (wonderful) Final Reflection (or how @KRAD wrote Klingon racial differences and use of slaves respectively in his Seven Deadly Sins short or his IKS Gorkon/Klingon Empire novels).
The Final Reflection was also used as a reference in DSC Season 1
From the moment the Picard Series was announced, I knew the Klingon Hair Issue would be addressed in DSC. Because I figured if Worf ever showed up in the Picard Series, he'd have hair. Otherwise the TNG fans from the '80s and '90s that the series would bring in would be like, "What the Hell is this?!" That's exactly how most of my friends in Real Life would react. The ones who are interested now because they heard the name "Patrick Stewart".
The simplest, easiest, no-fuss/no-muss solution that avoids any type of convoluted explanation worthy of Enterprise Season 4 is to say, "Oh, they just shaved their heads." Since the bald look was the one change about Discovery I didn't like, I'm just going to nod my head an go along with it. No questions asked. Whatever works to make the issue disappear once and for all is fine with me.
The simplest, easiest, no-fuss/no-muss solution that avoids any type of convoluted explanation worthy of Enterprise Season 4 is to say, "Oh, they just shaved their heads." Since the bald look was the one change about Discovery I didn't like, I'm just going to nod my head an go along with it. No questions asked. Whatever works to make the issue disappear once and for all is fine with me.
But should she care?
No, she shouldn't. She has no obligation towards this show.
Perhaps their lack of hair and subsequent rapid re-growth of hair in this era is simply "a subject they do not discuss with outsiders??"
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