Klingon change for season 2?

[Lord Garth]

That made me think of this for some stupid reason...

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I wonder how long it took to wash that grease off her hand?

That's what I was going for!

 

[Tosk]

Some Klingons have been seen with hair tied back, and Worf usually did it when exercising.

Worf kept his hair (once he grew it out) tied back 99% of the time.

 

[TorontoTrekker]

God do I hope so. I can't believe how many times you could see the prosthetics around her lips pulling away during season 1. I can't imagine what ended up on the cutting room floor, if those were the usable takes.

At Dragoncon this year, I asked Mary Chieffo and Kenneth Mitchell for any stories they could recount about the acting challenges they faced. Mary's reply included the fact that they would often have to redo scenes because the Klingon actors would start drooling partway through a line of dialogue. So it doesn't surprise me that they had trouble with getting the prosthetics to stay attached around the mouth.

 

[WebLurker]

Have to say that the photo of the old Klingon with a TNG/DS9/ENT hairstyle does make the DSC makeup redesign look more like a variant of the classic ridged look then something completely different. I could easily live with this scenario.

 

[Tuskin38]

Mary posted this on Twitter, fan asked about the hair issue in relation to DS9.

https://twitter.com/marythechief/status/1049441015998730240?s=19

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Mary posted this on Twitter, fan asked about the hair issue in relation to DS9.

https://twitter.com/marythechief/status/1049441015998730240?s=19

I mean, fair play to her for posting this reply. She seems to have taken a genuine interest in this.

I wonder the extent to which the other actors are versed in Trek history and lore?

Then again they can always get Memory Alpha up on their phones...!

Idea for additional inter-series show:

Mary Chieffo gives a series of Netflix lectures on Klingon culture and society.

^ sounds like I’m taking the mickey but I’d watch that.

 

[Tuskin38]

Someone suggested something similar in the comments heh

 

[Longinus]

Whilst the war thing is obviously a post hoc explanation for the producers changing their mind about the design, it's good enough explanation if one feels that an explanation is needed. Definitely way better than the whole augment mess.

 

[Tuskin38]

The war explanation is new, but they have been saying since pre-Season 1 that the Klingons were not naturally blond

Bald*

 

[Noname Given]

Hey, when the TNG producers explain (in Universe) how Trills when from looking like this:

In TNG

To This:

and this:

In DS9 and after; then I'll give them some flak for the "Klingons of the 23rd Century Cut off all their hair during a declared war..." explanation.

(As for the Trill change, we know the real world reason - Terri Farrell and Nicole de-Boer looked HOT without prosthetic makeup, and they wanted that for the show. )

 

[Jesse1066]

the Klingons were not naturally blond

I think that's always been the case, to be honest.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think that's always been the case, to be honest.

Haha whoooops.

 

[Rahul]

Mary posted this on Twitter, fan asked about the hair issue in relation to DS9.

https://twitter.com/marythechief/status/1049441015998730240?s=19

Hahaaa, what a nerd!

I love her.

 

[Rahul]

(Also, I don't remember the klingons shaving in TOS' "Errand of Mercy", so that tradition must have faded waaaay faster. Fashion...)

 

[fireproof78]

(Also, I don't remember the klingons shaving in TOS' "Errand of Mercy", so that tradition must have faded waaaay faster. Fashion...)

Fashion has never made sense among humans, much less alien races. Let's be fair here.

 

[Rahul]

Fashion has never made sense among humans, much less alien races. Let's be fair here.

See:

Fashion. Five years earlier, all klingons were rocking the mullet and porn-staches. It doesn't make much sense...

On a related note: I guess the official "canon" now has to be that some part of the Empire still are affected by the Augment virus, and - by pure chance - Kirk in his youth only ever had contact with them. But obviously was aware of the "normal" klingon look, and thus not surprised when he only ever met the "traditional" klingons as of TMP onward.

Is this explanation clunky? Hell yeah. Can I live with it? Absolutely.

from this very thread.

 

[Noname Given]

(Also, I don't remember the klingons shaving in TOS' "Errand of Mercy", so that tradition must have faded waaaay faster. Fashion...)

Well, remember - the Klingon depiction in TOS weren't how Klingons actually were supposed to look (Blame GR, he said it after ST:TMP premiered in 1979); so I'm sure they would have been BALD if they had the money in 1966.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, remember - the Klingon depiction in TOS weren't how Klingons actually were supposed to look (Blame GR, he said it after ST:TMP premiered in 1979); so I'm sure they would have been BALD if they had the money in 1966.

I blame GR for pretty much everything

 

[Refuge]

At Dragoncon this year, I asked Mary Chieffo and Kenneth Mitchell for any stories they could recount about the acting challenges they faced. Mary's reply included the fact that they would often have to redo scenes because the Klingon actors would start drooling partway through a line of dialogue. So it doesn't surprise me that they had trouble with getting the prosthetics to stay attached around the mouth.

The makeup for the Klingons was disappointing, one would expect better. I'm not sure about how they will look in Season Two, frankly I wish they would just go away and we can have a different alien group. From the trailer they still appear thickly made up but with wigs. Still at least they have made an effort to tie them into, well, Klingons with hair.

 

[fireproof78]

Can I ask a question while trying to keep in check my sarcastic tendencies? Is Klingon hair that big of a deal? I mean, we've had shaved head Klingons before so I'm struggling with why the lack of hair was the tipping point?

Acting concerns aside, as I can see that, even if I don't see it as a problem, this hair thing is a major sticking point that is baffling to me.