At the time, DS9 was widely received as a darker take on the universe that TNG created. Calling it per se dystopian is, of course, hyperbole.
Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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"A black Captain? Darker tones and stories? This isn't Gene's Vision™! I won't watch!"
Unfortunately, there was more than a little of that, too.
The poorly concealed or even shameless racism was what I remember most, followed by, "this is Star Trek, not Blade Runner."
The thing I remember making the biggest splash was, "Star Trek is not set on a space station." They were, of course, very wrong.
I was in my early 20's, married, and had gotten food poisoning and spent really awful weeks violently ill. (to this day peaches make me queasy) I hadn't watched TNG in awhile, had given up on the movies after TFF, and worked nights so DS9 wasn't something I had paid attention to. But I had time to watch and the show just drew me in immediately. It was the trek I didn't know I had wanted to see.
It was different. TOS had always been my older sibling's show and TNG became my parents and thus instantly uncool, but DS9 was mine. even while heaving chewed up saltins into a waste basket vomitorium. I think every generation, if the show is relatable, is going to find their audience, and the previous generation may not warm up to it instantly, though given time i think they well. The same way ENT caught on, finally, in streaming. There will come a time that the people all trying to get a spare second of your eyeball real estate to tell you not to like something won't be there, having moved on.
It was different. TOS had always been my older sibling's show and TNG became my parents and thus instantly uncool, but DS9 was mine. even while heaving chewed up saltins into a waste basket vomitorium. I think every generation, if the show is relatable, is going to find their audience, and the previous generation may not warm up to it instantly, though given time i think they well. The same way ENT caught on, finally, in streaming. There will come a time that the people all trying to get a spare second of your eyeball real estate to tell you not to like something won't be there, having moved on.
Sometimes we out grow things and that's ok. But to say 'I don't like this thing anymore so it should go away' is some gatekeeping nonsense. Just stop watching and leave it to those who do like it.I am beginning to think the franchise has nothing left to really offer. Well for me at least. Out of all the live action stuff over the last 7 or 8 years. Most of it has been pretty bland/bad to me. With maybe a season and a half of Disco, 1 season of SNW and 1 season of Picard. That I enjoyed to varying degrees.
Everything else I have not really enjoyed. Lower decks was just too inane for me. Only watched one ep of prodigy and they took it off streaming.
Lots of missteps imo the last 8 years. But it just seems like the franchise has run out of steam. I constantly find myself watching the older stuff or finding new scifi fantasy shows that offer something a bit different and unique. Or just plain watching more non scifi stuff now.
But after almost 50 years of some type of Trek in production almost every year (except maybe between Enterprise and the 2009 film) it's gotten pretty stale to me. There are almost 1000 episodes of Trek not to mention like 14 movies.
Many its just my age. Idk.....
But getting old doesn't explain why I love Star Wars Andor...
No....I'm entitled to my opinion. You can like it all you want. I don't begrudge you for liking it. If I want to continue to watch and point out how bad or good it is I may continue to do so. If I think Trek has gotten stale or just plain awful. I can say so. If I think Trek needs a long break or just end. I can say so. If I think Trek is well past it's prime and it will never achieve is highs again. I can say so. You also don't have to participate in this thread if you don't like it.
Look, of course you can watch it. It just feels very defeatist and also very much attention seeking: “Look at me! Look at me! I hate this but I’m going to keep watching and talking about how much I hate it!” You have to understand that that logic just is how people see this AND it doesn’t compute to many.
Again I'm welcome to do so. I also have not totally hated NuTrek. I have pointed out everything I have liked. But I still think they went off on extremely weird tragetories the last 8 years. I have pointed out many of those.
This is a Trek board. We can discuss what we like and don't like. I will continue to do so.
Yeah. People called it dark. Cindi Lauper said it was dark and the DS9 looked like a gas station.
I was dumbfounded. Dark? You mean not well lit? Does the color need adjusted on your TV?
Doing something voluntary that doesn't bring enjoyment breaks my brain.
Take an episode like "Battle Lines". How is that not dark? The celebrated "Far Beyond the Stars" has a very dark theme. "The Quickening"? Despite a hopeful ending, pretty dark!
This is not a Star Trek phenomenon, or even a TrekBBS phenomenon, trust me. My other regular hangout are the WDWMagic forums for Walt Disney World fans. And a good half of the posts there are people complaining about all the things they hate about Walt Disney World. I think that's just the nature of the Internet.
There's no need to tell people you're leaving when the door is right there.
You're the one who felt that everyone needed to read your opinion and therefore invited disagreement. If you can't handle that, don't start threads.
Voyager was mine (especially after S4 with the coming of Seven of Nine).
For once, there was a character on Star Trek that thought and behaved like ME. She wasn't perfect. She wasn't holier-than-Thou. She had no pretensions of being "evolved" (Borg programming notwithstanding).
She was prickly. She was abrasive. She made mistakes. She didn't always have it together. She didn't always do the right thing. She wasn't perfect.
She was (and is) a refreshing change from the paragons of virtue (note dripping sarcasm) on TNG.
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I’m not the biggest fan of DS9, but there’s no question it’s quality work.
The relationship between Ben and Jake was the best parent-child relationship in all of Star Trek.
And I really loved Garak and Quark.
I’m more of a TNG/VOY person myself, but there’s no question there’s a depth to DS9 that’s unmistakable and pretty compelling.
The relationship between Ben and Jake was the best parent-child relationship in all of Star Trek.
And I really loved Garak and Quark.
I’m more of a TNG/VOY person myself, but there’s no question there’s a depth to DS9 that’s unmistakable and pretty compelling.
...the thread has been running for 7 months brah. Never said I was gonna leave. Been posting here for 25 years. Again if you don't like that some people don't think current Trek is great and Trek needs a break and get threatened by That...its fine. But Im gonna continue to state my opinion and ask questions. Tell why you love it or why you think it needs to reach 2000 episodes and never ending films, instead of coming here triggered and using gatekeeper as a defense without giving me your opinion. Which I'm sure at this point you probably have none . Good day...
DS9 also had "TRIALS AND TRIBBLE-ATIONS", "OUR MAN BASHIR", "HIS WAY", "BADDA-BING, BADDA-BANG", "LITTLE GREEN MEN", "THE MAGNIFICENT FERENGI", and a whole bunch of other fun, light episodes.
DS9 absolutely had dark episodes. But DS9 also had a lot of light ones.
DEEP SPACE NINE was not dark. It was balanced.
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