Insurrection-Should Have Been A Dominion War Movie

[sonak]

I preferred Insurrection when it was called "Who Watches the Watchers" and "Homeward" on television years earlier.

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I preferred it when it was called "Journey's End," and Picard actually made the right choice and followed his duties as a Starfleet officer.

 

[22 Stars]

I preferred Insurrection when it was called "Who Watches the Watchers" and "Homeward" on television years earlier.

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I preferred it when it was called "Journey's End," and Picard actually made the right choice and followed his duties as a Starfleet officer.

Lol yeah, that one too. Unforgivable to tell this story again, this time as a feature. I loved Michael Piller's contribution to Trek, may he rest, but this was really misguided.

 

[BillJ]

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I preferred it when it was called "Journey's End," and Picard actually made the right choice and followed his duties as a Starfleet officer.

Lol yeah, that one too. Unforgivable to tell this story again, this time as a feature. I loved Michael Piller's contribution to Trek, may he rest, but this was really misguided.

But not really his fault as Berman, Stewart and Spiner kept interfering with the script.

 

[RyuRoots]

It was a massive screw-up to let Spiner and Stewart have ANY PART in the scripts for INS or NEM to begin with. They're great actors, but (especially if these films are anything to go by) writer's they ain't.

 

[ALF]

Amen to that (lead actors interfering with the writing). I remember reading the first "spoiler" for the film way back when being the "fountain of youth" and thinking to myself, who wants to see a film about that?

Nine Inch Erection, indeed.

 

[22 Stars]

Agreed. This thread should have been called Insurrection - Should Have Been About Anything Other Than What It Was About.

 

[sonak]

It was a massive screw-up to let Spiner and Stewart have ANY PART in the scripts for INS or NEM to begin with. They're great actors, but (especially if these films are anything to go by) writer's they ain't.

well yeah, but you're looking at the end results-they wouldn't necessarily know that beforehand-Leonard Nimoy was a Trek actor with some writing skills.

 

[GemHaters]

It was a massive screw-up to let Spiner and Stewart have ANY PART in the scripts for INS or NEM to begin with. They're great actors, but (especially if these films are anything to go by) writer's they ain't.

What's wrong with Nemesis???

 

[BillJ]

It was a massive screw-up to let Spiner and Stewart have ANY PART in the scripts for INS or NEM to begin with. They're great actors, but (especially if these films are anything to go by) writer's they ain't.

What's wrong with Nemesis???

I take it you haven't seen Nemesis?

 

[22 Stars]

It was a massive screw-up to let Spiner and Stewart have ANY PART in the scripts for INS or NEM to begin with. They're great actors, but (especially if these films are anything to go by) writer's they ain't.

What's wrong with Nemesis???

I take it you haven't seen Nemesis?

Lol, yeah, NEM is a mess too. For some of the same reasons, and some very different. Here you have Logan writing, who is Spiner's friend.

 

[GemHaters]

It was a massive screw-up to let Spiner and Stewart have ANY PART in the scripts for INS or NEM to begin with. They're great actors, but (especially if these films are anything to go by) writer's they ain't.

What's wrong with Nemesis???

I take it you haven't seen Nemesis?

Ugh. Posers.

 

[DWF]

While it might've been cool to have see the Enterprise E go up against one the Jem Hader superbattleships, a movie should stand on it's own and not be a cross over for a TV storyline.

 

[BillJ]

What's wrong with Nemesis???

I take it you haven't seen Nemesis?

Ugh. Posers.

Hey Buddy! I'll put my Star Trek fan credentials against yours any day of the week!

Seriously, a bad movie is a bad movie. Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean that I have to be a fan of everything the franchise spits out.

 

[ALF]

Hey, we got First Contact. Let's never forget that.
TNG's Undiscovered Country.

Here, watch the TNG films in this order, you'll sleep sounder as a TNG fan:

Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis
First Contact (imagine B4 becomes Data again, okay? It worked in the Countdown novels)

 

[F. King Daniel]

A Dominon War TNG movie would have sucked. What could they do? They couldn't end the DS9 story in a TNG movie (then again, they ended ENT with a TNG episode.... so I guess "shouldn't" is the correct word), so they couldn't win the war. It would have been some completely inconsequential battle that the Next Genners win.

 

[sonak]

Hey, we got First Contact. Let's never forget that.
TNG's Undiscovered Country.

Here, watch the TNG films in this order, you'll sleep sounder as a TNG fan:

Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis
First Contact (imagine B4 becomes Data again, okay? It worked in the Countdown novels)

what's with the order? Is that ranking it from worst to best for you?

 

[GemHaters]

I take it you haven't seen Nemesis?

Ugh. Posers.

Hey Buddy! I'll put my Star Trek fan credentials against yours any day of the week!

Challenge accepted.

 

[GemHaters]

While it might've been cool to have see the Enterprise E go up against one the Jem Hader superbattleships, a movie should stand on it's own and not be a cross over for a TV storyline.

Cross over? That's almost implying the two shows had nothing to do with each other. Generations crossed over TOS to TNG and no one is bitching about that.

Most people are saying my idea would have sucked, but then again you're all saying Insurrection sucked too, so let's weigh out the levels of sucking. lol. You honestly think the Dominion War wouldn't have been more interesting than the Son'a? Really?

 

[BillJ]

You honestly think the Dominion War wouldn't have been more interesting than the Son'a? Really?

More interesting to who exactly? To Trekkies? Sure a crossover movie would've been more interesting. To general audiences? It would depend on how it was handled and it would've had to be done in a way as to not tie the hands of DS9 writers.

And I don't think Generations fits your scenario. Jim Kirk and TOS were pop-culture icons. Even if the general audiences weren't fans they knew who and what they were seeing on the big screen.

 

[GemHaters]

You honestly think the Dominion War wouldn't have been more interesting than the Son'a? Really?

More interesting to who exactly? To Trekkies?

We're the ones watching these movies, aren't we? Since when did "general audiences" watch Star Trek? (Not including NuTrek)

Sure a crossover movie would've been more interesting. To general audiences?

Forget them, these movies were for Trekkies, and no one else. Let's not kid ourselves. Why would anyone just watch any of the Star Trek movies if they weren't fans already? They wouldn't understand what was going on at all, so that wouldn't make any sense.

And I don't think Generations fits your scenario. Jim Kirk and TOS were pop-culture icons. Even if the general audiences weren't fans they knew who and what they were seeing on the big screen.

Yes, Generations does fit my scenario. I don't care if "general audiences" knew who Captain Kirk was, they still didn't have a clue what was going on and wouldn't have any reason to watch the movie.

And please, enough of this "cross over" talk, it's still Star Trek, no matter how you look at it. Let's not forget, DS9 is a spinoff of TNG, to say that they're not connected is BS. (Captain Picard is in the first episode of DS9. In TNG you see La Forge and the gang on DS9 performing maintenance. If I remember correctly you see Bashir in that episode all "omg" over Data. O'Brien and Worf become part of the cast. Jonathan Frakes as Thomas Riker on DS9. Captain Picard on TNG calls Quark for information. The return of Lwaxana Troi.
Gowron makes some appearances. Locutus kills Jennifer Sisko. And last but not least, you see Worf commanding the Defiant in First Contact, which means he's stationed where...?)