How to resolve 6 Voyager Inconsistencies in 85 seconds

[Oddish]

That's why I use the term "drank the Janeway koolaid". The crew had no desertion and minimal dissent, despite Janeway's stranding them all in the Delta Quadrant... she must have had cult leader level charisma.

 

[fireproof78]

The Maquis crew came around because Chakotay did. They were loyal to him, so if he assimilated, so did they. Easy peasy.

So Chakotay has such loyalty that they will follow a leader of an organization that they felt abandoned by?

I mean I know Janeway inspired some loyalty but damn that's good.

 

[at Quark's]

So Chakotay has such loyalty that they will follow a leader of an organization that they felt abandoned by?

... an organization that even wanted to take them captive.

CHAKOTAY: Were you going to deliver us into their waiting hands, Vulcan?
TUVOK: My mission was to accumulate information on Maquis activities, and then deliver you into their waiting hands. That is correct.

 

[Sumire]

So we have a Maquis crew fervently loyal to Chakotay and a Starfleet crew fervently loyal to Janeway. Then Chakotay becomes fervently loyal to Janeway and thus, their powers and charisma combined… no one can deny loyalty to this command team!

 

[Oddish]

So we have a Maquis crew fervently loyal to Chakotay and a Starfleet crew fervently loyal to Janeway. Then Chakotay becomes fervently loyal to Janeway and thus, their powers and charisma combined… no one can deny loyalty to this command team!

Funny how, in "Resolutions", Chakotay never got to even say bye to this crew that was fiercely loyal to him, and no one seemed to care... another issue that 15 seconds of dialogue could have fixed.

 

[at Quark's]

Something like this?

JANEWAY [OC]: No captain could ask more than what this crew has given.
Chakotay <meanwhile, in the background> Bye, Torres! Bye, Ayala! Bye, Chell!
JANEWAY [OC, scraping her throeat]: Bravery, compassion and strength of character. But I think what I'll miss most is the fun. The times we joked together, the games on the holodeck.
Chakotay <meanwhile, in the background> Bye, Tabor! Bye, Yosa!
JANEWAY [OC] CAN YOU JUST BE QUIET FOR A SECOND? Ahem. I'll remember the laughter more than anything.
Chakotay <meanwhile, in the background> Bye, Carlson! Bye Doyle!
<a faint rustling is heard>
JANEWAY [OC] Although Commander Chakotay and I won't be with you for the rest of your journey, we know that you'll be the same steadfast crew for Mister Tuvok as you have been for us. We wish you a safe and a speedy journey home. Our thoughts will be with you.
JANEWAY: Janeway out.
TUVOK: Thank you, Captain, Commander. I am sure I speak for the entire crew when I say we will always remember your grace and courage. And I would like to add, it has been an honour serving with you. Live long and prosper. Also, I am curious. How did you silence commander Chakotay?
JANEWAY: Gave him a Snickers.

 

[Lynx]

Sure, if you drop the whole "They're looking for a way home" thing which we all knew couldn't be accomplished..

Nothing wrong with "they're looking for a way home" if it had been accomplished in a decent waY, not with a crap episode like Endgame.

The main cast should have just been Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, the Doctor and Paris. Neelix, Kes, Kim and Torres should have been recurring secondaries not in every episode. A smaller main cast is easier to handle.

Take a look at DS9! They had EIGTH main characters (Sisko, Kira, O'Brien, Odo, Dax, Bashir, Quark, Jake and then Worf was added) PLUS some recurring characters who were involved in most episodes (Garak, Nog, Rom, Winn, Dukat and some more) and they still could come up with great episodes for all of them.

It's not about the size of the cast, it's about the skill of the writers.

Everytime they tried something new, the audience complained. Have to "give them what they want" after all.

But did they really try something new? As for complaints, there were most about certain characters. Neelix was disliked, there were mixed emotions about Janeway and Kim was regarded as weak.

The problem was that they did some mistakes (like the amount of torpedoes and shuttles) which they never tried to correct, they just went on. Sort of: "Don't bother, the viewers won't notice". But the viewers DID notice!

Really, the premises of those shows (and VOY) just doesn't hold up.

Voyager could have made it if they had had better writers.

Maybe Stargate Universe too if they had had less disgusting characters, better writers and hadn't got stuck in the constant internal squabble between "factions" on the ship which really ruined most of the show. I mean, there were episodes when the only thing which happened was internal squabble and conflicts and that became incredible boring. I remember that I actually cheered when the ship suddenly was attacked by some pale blue aliens. "Finally something is happening!" I thought. Unfortunately it didn't last.

They tried that in the first three years of the show, and apparently those in power weren't satisfied with the result.

Personally I regret the day Voyager went for the 'easy route', the formulaic approach (Borg, Borg Babe, and explosions), as for me that felt they abandoned their efforts to make something original and fresh. Uneven as the first three seasons sometimes could be, at least they tried during those years.

I agree with you here.

But couldn't they had stood up for what they were trying to accomplish instead of changing it the way they did after season 3?

I mean, those in charge of Deep Space Nine did stuck to their formula so why didn't those in charge of Voyager do that?

As for the early seasons, season 1 was very good, season 2 was excellent but in season 3 there were some bum episodes. It was like they didn't know what to come up with after Voyagert had left Kazon and Vidiian space. Did those in charge start to lose interest after season 3?

 

[fireproof78]

So we have a Maquis crew fervently loyal to Chakotay and a Starfleet crew fervently loyal to Janeway. Then Chakotay becomes fervently loyal to Janeway and thus, their powers and charisma combined… no one can deny loyalty to this command team!

Don't question it; it just works!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So we have a Maquis crew fervently loyal to Chakotay and a Starfleet crew fervently loyal to Janeway. Then Chakotay becomes fervently loyal to Janeway and thus, their powers and charisma combined… no one can deny loyalty to this command team!

The words "Chakotay" and "charisma" together? Who'da thunk it.

 

[XweAponX]

The words "Chakotay" and "charisma" together? Who'da thunk it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Seriously. The man could not electrify a fish tank if he threw a toaster into it.

 

[XweAponX]

Seriously. The man could not electrify a fish tank if he threw a toaster into it.

aw, I don’t know… I thought he did pretty well in “workforce”. But so did the doctor in that episode.

he had a couple of episodes where he showed some good authority… he did pretty well against the Saurians (?), too. Don’t know if that’s the right word for that race, the dinosaur people

 

[Farscape One]

aw, I don’t know… I thought he did pretty well in “workforce”. But so did the doctor in that episode.

he had a couple of episodes where he showed some good authority… he did pretty well against the Saurians (?), too. Don’t know if that’s the right word for that race, the dinosaur people

The Voth.

 

[Oddish]

The problem was that they did some mistakes (like the amount of torpedoes and shuttles) which they never tried to correct, they just went on. Sort of: "Don't bother, the viewers won't notice". But the viewers DID notice!

Trekkies ALWAYS notice.

But did they really try something new? As for complaints, there were most about certain characters. Neelix was disliked, there were mixed emotions about Janeway and Kim was regarded as weak.

Neelix was badly used (dressing him like a sofa didn't help) and Harry probably would have been inoffensive and forgettable if the writers hadn't been determined to humiliate the actor. You couldn't not have mixed emotions about Janeway because she vacillated so much.

Voyager could have made it if they had had better writers.

Excerpt from the Voyager writer's test...

32. If you have 38 photon torpedoes and no way to replace them, what is an acceptable number of torpedoes to fire over the course of the show?
A. 23
B. 32
C. 37
D. 95

33. If you have a newly graduated ensign on your crew who proves a highly competent department head and bridge officer, what rank should he hold after seven years?
A. Ensign
B. Lieutenant
C. Lieutenant Commander
D. Commander

If you answer anything but D and A respectively, you can forget about serving as a writer on Voyager.

I mean, those in charge of Deep Space Nine did stuck to their formula so why didn't those in charge of Voyager do that?

Because somehow, the Trek powers that be decided to ignore DS9, and therefore failed to realize that it was being run by people with brains.

The words "Chakotay" and "charisma" together? Who'da thunk it?

I did hear someone say that Chakotay had the charisma of a potted plant.

Seriously. The man could not electrify a fish tank if he threw a toaster into it.

Is that what happened to Picard's pet fish?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Is that what happened to Picard's pet fish?

No, Spot ate it.

 

[fireproof78]

Seriously. The man could not electrify a fish tank if he threw a toaster into it.

That's OK. The toaster had other plans.

 

[XweAponX]

The Voth.

that’s it… well, that was the name of their civilization. I was trying to remember the name of what they were….

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

that’s it… well, that was the name of their civilization. I was trying to remember the name of what they were….

'Voth' IS the name of their species. Their actual government hasn't been given a name.

 

[Anwar]

Nothing wrong with "they're looking for a way home" if it had been accomplished in a decent waY, not with a crap episode like Endgame.

Really, just like DS9 brought in the Dominion and changed things up partway through the show VOY should've done the same. Not wait until the last episodes to do it.

Take a look at DS9!

DS9 had the entire built up Trekverse TOS and TNG made to play around with. VOY couldn't do that without staying in the same place for a long time which the premise wouldn't let them do.

But did they really try something new?

They honestly did. Even the 8472 aliens got complaints even if their story was re-evaluated later on.

As for complaints, there were most about certain characters. Neelix was disliked, there were mixed emotions about Janeway and Kim was regarded as weak.

There were complaints about the basic plot of the show as well, the whole "Gilligan's Island in Space" thing was a turn-off.

The problem was that they did some mistakes (like the amount of torpedoes and shuttles) which they never tried to correct, they just went on. Sort of: "Don't bother, the viewers won't notice". But the viewers DID notice!

Uh-huh and those same viewers also disliked "Living Witness" as well, which shows how it was a fool's errand to try and please them.

Maybe Stargate Universe too if they had had less disgusting characters, better writers and hadn't got stuck in the constant internal squabble between "factions" on the ship which really ruined most of the show

But that's one of the big complaints, that there wasn't more internal squabbling on VOY.

 

[XweAponX]

'Voth' IS the name of their species. Their actual government hasn't been given a name.

well, no, remember when the Voth scientist was standing in front of Susan Bay, she said something like she would not change her views just because “one saurian had a theory”-

I will have to watch that episode again.