How big was the Enterprise?

[Warped9]

Part of the issue is that the sets often look bigger onscreen than they actually are. The TOS Engineering set is a good example. It’s looks spacious on television, but in real life many people have commented on how small it feels.

I have spent a lot of time figuring out the hangar deck and shuttlecraft. It can all indeed fit within a 947 ft. hull if you work at figuring it out realistically rather than just trying to force fit a production distorted set. And a number of people over the years have managed to get everything to fit properly with the 947 ft. hull.

 

[korblborp]

like i said in another thread, embiggening the ship supposedly to fix some of these scale issues doesn't work if you then embiggen the things that were "problems" even more...

 

[Warped9]

It comes down to whether you want to see what things would really look like or you want to recreate a production exaggeration or compromise.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

It's bizarre how many designers struggle to make a spaceship exterior match the interior. I can understand it for smaller ships like the TOS shuttle or the Millennium Falcon where practical issues came up, but for something huge you just come up with a number big enough so that the sets fit and scale the windows appropriately.

 

[fireproof78]

Next sci-fi I watch better have their models and sets lined up!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Doctor Who wins the contest of lining up the inside with the outside.

 

[cooleddie74]

[*The Time Pod from "Cold Front(ENT)" has materialized in the chat*]

 

[CorporalCaptain]

*** Coexists in the multiverse in ENT "Future Tense". ***

 

[knightgrace]

The real advantage to the upscale SNW Enterprise, is psychological space. Four, four, two point zero two meters in versus the older 288.646 meters...

 

[Warped9]

Realistically a 947 ft. carrier sized ship allows for a helluva lot of space for only 430 persons.

 

[Tallguy]

I have spent a lot of time figuring out the hangar deck and shuttlecraft. It can all indeed fit within a 947 ft. hull if you work at figuring it out realistically rather than just trying to force fit a production distorted set.

I'm all for the original stated ship size, but that shuttle deck model was not distorted side to side or top to bottom and I have never seen anyone make a "real" shuttle have that much space. It's not as deep as it looks, I get that. But the bottom of the observation corridor has to be well above the top of the shuttle. I've never seen a "fits inside a 947 long ship" shuttle deck do this.

OTOH, SNW said "Hold my bourbon."

 

[F. King Daniel]

Sigh..... Must we?

The Great Starship Size Argument™ never ends! I was there... the year was 2009... I still wake up in a cold sweat mumbling seven-hundred-and-twenty-five-meters every now and then.

But I'm getting better. Little by little. Day by day.

 

[HotRod]

I'll admit to never understanding the issue with increasing the size of the Enterprise, especially when the old size comes with so many problems and was never that firmly established to begin with. I'm sure the new length of 442 meters comes with its very own set of problems, namely the large engineering space and shuttlebay, but they feel more manageable. Maybe that's just me. I think the biggest reason I'm ok with the adjustments to the size is simply that it looks better when compared to other ships, especially newer additions like the NX-01.


This just works for me. I can believe there's almost a hundred years of development between them. The 1701 is significantly larger, but it's not gargantuan.

This also works. I have no problem increasing the size of the Refit to match the SNW size. It just works for me.

Probably most importantly to me is that it reduces the ridiculous size difference between the 1701 and the Enterprise-D.

And makes the size difference a little more in keeping with this sketch from Probert that I consider to be a more reasonable size difference between the two eras.

 

[HotRod]

Plus, if you consider Strange New Worlds to be part of the Prime timeline and a direct prequel to The Original Series, which I do and which is the official word from Paramount, then it simply comes down to this:

This image...
is significantly more visible to the viewing audience than the scale that is barely visible in this image...






Dammit! I said I wasn't going to get into this argument!

 

[Dar70]

People have gone to great lengths to prove that the originally given dimensions of the TOS ship cannot work.

I would like to see a similarly robust defense of the new dimensions with the new sets.

Go.

They don't work. In fact it's probably worse...

 

[Dar70]

Plus, if you consider Strange New Worlds to be part of the Prime timeline and a direct prequel to The Original Series, which I do and which is the official word from Paramount, then it simply comes down to this:

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is significantly more visible to the viewing audience than the scale that is barely visible in this image...View attachment 54121






Dammit! I said I wasn't going to get into this argument!
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I don't. TOS came first so it's what i go by. SNW rewrote much and tried to redo TOS and I'm not gonna play that. It an alternate universe in my eyes no matter what Paramount says.

 

[knightgrace]

I'll admit to never understanding the issue with increasing the size of the Enterprise, especially when the old size comes with so many problems and was never that firmly established to begin with. I'm sure the new length of 442 meters comes with its very own set of problems, namely the large engineering space and shuttlebay, but they feel more manageable. Maybe that's just me. I think the biggest reason I'm ok with the adjustments to the size is simply that it looks better when compared to other ships, especially newer additions like the NX-01.

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This just works for me. I can believe there's almost a hundred years of development between them. The 1701 is significantly larger, but it's not gargantuan.
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This also works. I have no problem increasing the size of the Refit to match the SNW size. It just works for me.

Probably most importantly to me is that it reduces the ridiculous size difference between the 1701 and the Enterprise-D.
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And makes the size difference a little more in keeping with this sketch from Probert that I consider to be a more reasonable size difference between the two eras.
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Not ridiculous.
Required for population expansion.
Remember that the Galaxy class was designed to stay out far, far longer, like ultimately 100 years... starting with fifteen to twenty year missions. Not a short five year.

 

[HotRod]

It an alternate universe in my eyes no matter what Paramount says.

You can think what you want, but the official position remains the same. Strange New Worlds IS part of the Prime timeline.

Not ridiculous.
Required for population expansion.
Remember that the Galaxy class was designed to stay out far, far longer, like ultimately 100 years... starting with fifteen to twenty year missions. Not a short five year.

Something we never once saw a Galaxy class actually doing.

 

[Warped9]

I don't. TOS came first so it's what i go by. SNW rewrote much and tried to redo TOS and I'm not gonna play that. It an alternate universe in my eyes no matter what Paramount says.

Exactly so.

 

[scotpens]

Realistically a 947 ft. carrier sized ship allows for a helluva lot of space for only 430 persons.

Overall length does not necessarily correlate with volume. The TOS Enterprise is a dispersed structure consisting of a disc, a roughly cylindrical hull, and two engine nacelles that contain no crew spaces. I'm sure it contains a good deal less interior volume than a single-hulled ocean-going vessel of similar length.