We don't have to.
We never saw a Constitution class actually do even a five year mission, nor even a maximum eighteen year mission.
We never saw a Constitution class actually do even a five year mission, nor even a maximum eighteen year mission.
The difference is that the original USS Enterprise NCC-1701 was explicitly on a five year mission. Hell, based on the age of the ship and the multiple series it’s now appeared in, it completed several five year missions.
I don’t recall any point in any episode where it was stated that the Galaxy class starship would actually go on super extended missions. In fact, we never really saw them operating all that far from starbases.
Soo...TOS no longer exist because it was rewritten?I don't. TOS came first so it's what i go by. SNW rewrote much and tried to redo TOS and I'm not gonna play that. It an alternate universe in my eyes no matter what Paramount says.
Or, more logically, TOS is a branch timeline because too much time travel has occured to be anything like what happened later.
TOS still happens after SNW.
Nothing's been overwritten or rewritten.
Nothing's been overwritten or rewritten.
the saucer alone probably has more volume than a modern US surface combatant, less the carriers, just distributed weirdly (compared with the secondary)
Voyager was longer and had more internal volume than either of Kirk's Enterprises, yet crewed only 141 or thereabouts, not even twice the complement of Jonathan Archer's pre-Federation Enterprise, which was significanly smaller than Janeway's ship.
So can we accept that the TOS ship was never a Constitution class? The refit, sure. Or actually, the A. We have no idea what the original refit was.
If Strange New Worlds calls it naught but Starship Class then this clearly contradicts what was on screen.
Honestly they should have just shown the size comparison graphic more clearly. I guess they thought that publishing it in a dozen places during and after the show's run would have done it. Suckers.
If Strange New Worlds calls it naught but Starship Class then this clearly contradicts what was on screen.
Honestly they should have just shown the size comparison graphic more clearly. I guess they thought that publishing it in a dozen places during and after the show's run would have done it. Suckers.
No one denies that 289 meters was the original intended length*. It’s definitely a retcon that the ship is 442 meters long. The argument basically comes down to which number you choose to accept and which size works better for what was depicted on screen.
*Actually, the ship was originally designed to be much smaller with a single deck at the saucer rim.
The SNW and TOS ships are the same size or damn near close to it.
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No. They’re not. The current show runners public stated that DSC was doing its own thing. And SNW follows directly from DSC. So, no, not the same timeline, not the same continuity, and not the same ship.
They did?
Where was this stated?
I heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who talked to a guy that knows a guy who occasionally sees one of the producers every fifth Tuesday at the coffee shop down the street from Secret Hideout's production offices.
Technically what came first matters less because newer productions have the right to change and overwrite things if they choose so, you not playing that is a meaningless statement because it doesn't change the facts. When they say the Enterprise is 442 meters long she's 442 meters long.I don't. TOS came first so it's what i go by. SNW rewrote much and tried to redo TOS and I'm not gonna play that. It an alternate universe in my eyes no matter what Paramount says.
And the shows are the same continuity, DSC literally used The Cage footage as flashback scenes. That the look changed does not mean it's an alternate universe, it means it's not the 60s anymore.
The TOS Enterprise is also 442 meters long, no matter what an admittedly cool static desktop viewer graphic from 1968 said. I'll upscale the two ships to be the same size for several reasons, not the least of which it makes Kirk's ship appropriately that much bigger than Archer's, and it's always bugged me that the NX-01 had a bigger saucer section than a ship built almost 100 years later.
We again have this screen used cutaway that was posted on the first page of this thread, showing a Constitution at around 450m. Even the much beloved Doug Drexler couldn't make a 289m Constitution make sense.
Which lined up pretty damn well with Voyager's MSD, as shown by @Ray Hardgrit
Which actually makes the Enterprise feel like it was scaled as a Heavy Cruiser compared to Voyager, which was frequently described as a "small ship."
Which lined up pretty damn well with Voyager's MSD, as shown by @Ray Hardgrit
Which actually makes the Enterprise feel like it was scaled as a Heavy Cruiser compared to Voyager, which was frequently described as a "small ship."
Screen used? I'm sure most of that wasn't visible, was it?
I love Mr. Drexler, but I'm not putting more weight on HIS "screen used" graphics than Papa Jefferies' "screen used" graphics.
And there are artists who have "made it work" with the original stats. (Can't find @aridas sofia 's cutaway at the moment...)
Of course even this points to a bygone age where the production teams were even interested (or... allowed?) to pursue such world building. Maybe I'm just still smelling the stink of the JJ era where such noodling could get you fired.
As always, I'd love to see this kind of "putting all the pieces together" for the SNW stuff. I admit, I'm the kind of nerd for whom this is the missing piece. I've had almost 60 years of conditioning to think that if you can't even try to show me where all this stuff goes you're not "serious".
Does the length in the Drexler cutaway come from extrapolation from the size of known elements such as the height of doors, from comments from Drexler himself, or both? (Apologies if it says straight out somewhere in the image 
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Link to images in the episode when the cutaway appeared.
