Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. Spock's Barber

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    The Changeling.....after Nomad zaps 2 redshirts, there is a shot of Bill Blackburn wearing a gold tunic climbing up a ladder from a lower deck. A few seconds later Bill and Eddie Paskey are walking towards Kirk and Spock. This time Bill has a blue tunic on.
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  2. JonnyQuest037

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    Intergalactic, Planetary, Planetary, Intergalactic...
     
  3. The Mighty Monkey of Mim

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    Of course it's not. Not Gene Roddenberry, anyway. Gene Roddenberry has been dead since 1991. The movies beyond the first one weren't Roddenberry either. Neither were the later seasons of TNG, nor any of DS9, VGR, or ENT.

    DSC is actually the first Trek series in more than 25 years to have a Roddenberry (his son Rod) creatively involved!

    -MMoM:D
     
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  4. johnnybear

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    As the franchise has developed over the years it has become less and less like the utopian vision of the future that Gene Rodenberry had envisaged! That's probably why my interest ended when Voyager did and that was different enough!
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  5. Forbin

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    Oh, intragalctic works fine! ;)
     
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  6. Mytran

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    Was the world of TOS really a utopian future though?
    TBH, I would say that the whole "Gene's vision" thing probably peaked in season 1 of TNG and that was hardly full of Trek's finest moments
     
  7. plynch

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    It wasn't utopia. Earth races cooperated. Alien species cooperated. But lots of strife and human failings still. [Mudd's Women, depicting some real darker sides of human nature, was one of the first eps shot.]

    That's why it was so good and why TNG seems preachy (at least at first) to some folks.
     
  8. Tenacity

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    Gene's vision persists.
    During TOS, the future was optimistic because Humanity survived to have a future.

    That was basically it.

    The wack-a-doddle utopian crap was invented by Roddenberry during the time period between the end of TOS and the creation of TNG.
     
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  9. Maurice

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    Maurice Hurley, is that you?
     
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  10. Tenacity

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    Not according to my gynecologist.
     
  11. mb22

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    Roddenberry was already starting on the wack-a-doddle stuff in the 70s, once he started his speaking tours and began being treated as a great visionary. Read parts of Letters to Star Trek and other printed sources from that time.
     
  12. Noname Given

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    yep - just look at his "Genesis II" and "Planet Earth" pilots from 1973 and 1974 respectively with the 'unisex' beliefs and th women suddenly all wearing pants and looking at sex a a pure biological function. :)
     
  13. Tenacity

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    I like TOS version better than later (and current) Star Trek. We won't kill today, unless you threaten us. Our political philosophy is practical, not utopian.
     
  14. MAGolding

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    There is no evidence whether the Klingons were involved with Axanar.

    Axanar is only mentioned a few times.

    In "Court Martial":

    The most obvious interpretation of "Axanar Peace Mission" is that it was a mission to Axanar (or possibly someother place) to make peace with a realm called Axanar. Assuming that the other party in the conflict was not called Axanar seems like a dubious assumption.

    In "Whom Gods Destroy":

    So Garth's great victory at Axanar happened during or before Kirk's time at the Academy and in time for Kirk to study it. But the final peace may have happened years after the victory, since Cadet Kirk visited Axanar on a peace mission.

    Garth's apparent age (though that might be deceptive) and his comparatively low rank of fleet captain, makes it hard to imagine that he was senior enough to command at a great victory very long before Kirk entered Starfleet Academy. And it seems likely that Axanar was the capital planet of a reasonably impressive space realm, perhaps equal to the Klingons or the Romulans.

    First contact is made with the Axanars in Enterprise "Fight or Flight" but little is learned about them.
     
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  15. johnnybear

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    Let us hope that DSC doesn't jump in on this by making it another battle in their ludicrous Klingon war!

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  16. Mytran

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    The creators of Discovery would not give Alec Peters the publicity by involving Axanar in the new series...and quite honestly, there's no need to - there's more than enough history in the Star Trek universe for them to mine for ideas.
     
  17. johnnybear

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    More than enough ideas? Then why are they mining their own?
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  18. Mytran

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    More than enough history, @johnnybear . The ideas are what is subsequently inspired by it!
     
  19. ZapBrannigan

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    For me, Roddenberry's spell was broken when the TMP novelization started out with some needless and inappropriate guff about Kirk's mother having a love instructor. Oh, how daring and yet how matter-of-fact. :rolleyes: It was clearly derivative of Robert Heinlein, and clashed badly with TOS. It wasn't a Star Trek vibe at all. If anything, it was gross and a little embarrassing. This was 1979. So basically, the cult of Infallible Roddenberry was a childhood thing for me that died with the Seventies.

    What happened was, GR got a very big head during that decade of effusive praise. He thought fans would accept his whims and sexual reveries, or anything else he wanted to say, as coming from the voice of God. He didn't realize it was Star Trek that people loved, and not just any weird thing he might dream up and call Star Trek.
     
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  20. Commishsleer

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    I totally agree. Ugghh. I don't even know if that was cool in the 70s.

    I was watching the Tholian Web today and when they did a closeup of the guy's sleeve as he was beaming up KIrk. He had a Lt Cmdr stripe yet in the full shot he was a Lt.

    Merry Christmas everyone.