That's not how it works.Discovery is not part of the TOS universe no matter what the suits at CBS say!
JB
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Gene's attitudes to what makes good drama changed substantially inbetween the 1960s and the 1980s
Discovery is not part of the TOS universe no matter what the suits at CBS say!
JB
Ok bro
GR also considered STIII:TSFS non-canon as he disliked that the original Enterprise was destroyed. He considered it a character in its own right.
Well it was a sad moment I agree but not enough to disavow the movie!
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I agree. Clearly it is part of NuTrek continuity.Discovery is not part of the TOS universe no matter what the suits at CBS say!
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Nope. The Klingons and Federation had never had an all-out war in that continuity, per Star Trek Into Darkness.
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I have one, and it's not a big one, but it's kind of obvious with all the work done on soundstages.. it never rains (except on matte paintings) in Star Trek TOS.
No one ever says that, to my recollection, and I'm nearly finished with a re-watch of it all. Done with all the Klingon episodes. What did I miss? There was a line in an early script draft of "Day Of The Dove" to that effect but it was cut before it was ever filmed.
In Errand of Mercy Kirk and Kor speak of each others antagonisms and no mention of a previous war was mentioned! Talk of The Federation hemming The Klingons in as such and raids on Starfleet bases by Klingon ships and other aggressions! Also how do you explain Klingon physiogamy in DIS when in TOS they are Mongol in appearance and also that was explained in ENT with the Augment virus that affected every Klingon world and colony? Why aren't these new Conkerheads in their fairy gear stricken?
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You'll have to be more specific. Here's the transcript. At the beginning, a new war is just starting after negotiations break down. But nothing they say precludes there having been a previous war a decade earlier, as what Marcus says in ID does.
No, that wasn't said either. It only affected some, not all. Well, actually they said the cure had been promised to be distributed throughout the Empire, but not that the entire population would be affected, only "millions." They also said it might become popular to have it cosmetically reversed through cranial reconstruction. (I presume this was meant to explain why Kang, Kor, and Koloth later showed up on DS9 with the post-TMP makeup.)
-MMoM
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Well that's the way I've always read it and the same for ENT and the Klingon augmented virus! Points to you for posting the transcript though, Mim! When it comes down to it, we believe or accept what we want to accept and that's the bottom line!
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Thing is in Balance of Terror, Kirk and his crew refer to the previous war between the earth and The Romulan Star Empire of a century before! Nothing is stated about the Federation ever going to war with The Klingons and I doubt that Gene Roddenberry would have wanted that fact in his near utopian view of future adventures in outer space!
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If you go by the material from the RPG by FASA, the Federation fought the Klingons in the Four Years War that occurred back in the Captain Robert April era when the Constitution class first came into service. The abortive fan film about Axanar was based on this.
I know this isn't canon but still
Spock mentions that in "Balance Of Terror" specifically because the Romulans hadn't been encountered since then.
The galaxy was full of conflict in TOS. Humanity had made advances, sure, and Earth itself was supposed to be somewhat utopic, having found some unity and gotten past the point of being constantly on the verge of blowing itself to bits. The Federation never sought war, and didn't want it. But as can be seen from "Errand Of Mercy" itself, they were perfectly wiling to fight it when it came. And again, there was no overt suggestion that it was the first time.
-MMoM
Axanar was mentioned in the TV series and no details were ever given as to where or when it was! The fan films have jumped onto this by assuming that it was a Klingon conflict!
JB
Note, I had forgotten there is a reference to what was apparently a major battle in the past with the Klingons in The Original Series.
In "The Trouble With Tribbles" during the briefing early at the beginning of the episode Spock says "The Battle of Donatu V was fought near here 23 years ago. Results inconclusive".
Further, "Donatu V" was later a base used by the Federation and Klingons that they were trying to resupply during the Dominion War in a Deep Space Nine episode.
In "The Trouble With Tribbles" during the briefing early at the beginning of the episode Spock says "The Battle of Donatu V was fought near here 23 years ago. Results inconclusive".
Further, "Donatu V" was later a base used by the Federation and Klingons that they were trying to resupply during the Dominion War in a Deep Space Nine episode.
If you think authorial intent is instructive, it’s clear that Coon—speaking for the production staff—saw a clear parallel with the US/Soviet Union Cold War:
The earlier Klingon episodes suggest an intergalactic Cold War with minor skirmishes. I doubt that there was imminent total warfare until the Organia incident.
(Thanks to the always useful and well-spoken @Harvey)
The earlier Klingon episodes suggest an intergalactic Cold War with minor skirmishes. I doubt that there was imminent total warfare until the Organia incident.
(Thanks to the always useful and well-spoken @Harvey)
